To find the silence about UNRWA being Hamas hypocritical

[Muthaofcats]

I entirely understand the discomfort seeing images coming out of Gaza; but what I don’t get is those who choose to post about it on social media or campaign expressing their horror but being totally SILENT after October 7th (before Israeli had even responded), after evidence of the sexual violence suffered by those murdered in Israel and now, after finding out that UNWRA who they have all been sending donations to, are actually Hamas who perpetrated the atrocities.

Where is the outrage from these people at UNRWA?

Why are none of these vocal people not screaming from the roof tops at how horrendous this is !?! If it was true you care about humanity, why aren’t you horrified to learn you’ve all been donating to an organisation so closely linked to the rape and murder of innocent civilians ? (And this isn’t the first time unrwa has been linked to Hamas; their HQ is a Hamas building and they’ve famously been linked to training terrorists in their schools / got into hot water for removing the hollocaust from their curriculum)

if you are one of those white privileged women who posts on social media about a cease fire (I’m talking to those of you who have never been to the ME, or studied ME history and never taken up the cause of any of the other global conflicts); why is your outrage so one sided and blinkered ? Why don’t you acknowledge the horrors of the Israeli/ Jewish people too ? If you’re really the virtuous person you purport to be by taking up this cause, why don’t you care ? Or do you believe what Hamas did and are doing and promising to keep doing (murder all Jews) is justified ?

Genuinely find it bewildering.

I didn’t name you ( or even think of you) . I was talking generically.
“Supporter” is not quite the same as “sympathiser “ … Do you sympathise with Hamas on any level?

Apologies. It wasn’t you who acussed me of that but another poster. I got confused with the usernames

You can stand by whatever you like but if you are accusing people of something you need to demonstrate where it has been said! Point out who has justified Hamas actions while at the same time not justified Israel's right to protect its citizens? Because if you can't your post is completely pointless, a lie and just there to derail

No - I don’t have to point anything out . I haven’t named or accused anyone specific. I’ve pointed out a type of behaviour that is commonplace on here and if you haven’t seen it you’re wilfully blind .
I said “attempting to justify Hamas’s actions while never attempting to justify Israel’s right to protect its citizens IS being a Hamas sympathiser .”
And you think this statement is a lie?

It is very easy to make sweeping accusations and for people to read them as fact. I think it is very serious to suggest people on this thread are terrorist sympathisers so to not specifically point them out means people reading your comment will assume it is every poster who is posting with concerns for Palestinian people and questioning Israeli tactics. I personally take great offence to potentially being seen as a terrorist sympathiser which is why I think it is important to point out the posters you are talking about so posters like me do not get tarred with the same brush.

If you don't want to point them out (or if you are unable to) could you delete your post?

If you don’t won’t to get tarred with the same brush then don’t “justify Hamas’s actions while never attempting to justify Israel’s right to protect its citizens “

No

I haven't!! Show me where I have? fgs you need to stop accusing me and others of something we are not doing

I haven’t accused YOU of anything. I was calling out a type of behaviour. If you think it describes you then that is YOUR problem

Bog off? You need to take responsibility for what you are posting, no idea why you are getting angry with people for defending themselves when you accuse them of something

FFS i didn’t accuse YOU personally of anything. I made a comment about a type of behaviour commonplace on here and you somehow thought I was talking about you specifically..

If you don’t won’t to get tarred with the same brush then don’t “justify Hamas’s actions while never attempting to justify Israel’s right to protect its citizens

Really unsure how else to take that statement then? Reads like an accusation to me. It suggests I am justifying Hamas which I've never done

@Limeandsodaontherocks it does read that you are talking to @Dulra specifically as you are replying to her post.

No - I’m advising you on what not to do if you don’t want to be considered a possible Hamas sympathiser.
I am NOT saying you are one .

Well yes - I was replying to her post but I wasn’t saying I had aimed my original comment at her

Ok thank you for that clarity.

We are going round in circles. My original request was to be careful about throwing out general accusations because I think it is unfair to posters on here who are definitely not terrorist sympathisers, others may read your comment and assume it means the people posting expressing concern for Palestinians are, you have clarified that's not what you are suggesting but it was an assumption some of us made so be careful with your language and how it may be perceived.

@Limeandsodaontherocks I'm sure you wouldn't be impressed if someone were to accuse you of being a genocide supporter/sympathiser because you feel Israel has a right to defend itself (they do within the law and proportion). So please stop accusing posters on here as being Hamas sympathisers because of their views for wanting suffering Palestinians to have access to aid.

Fair enough- it can be difficult to be clear and posts can be read in different ways. I will try to be clearer going forward.

I didn’t do that. It’s been cleared up now.

The thing is that Israel has gone well beyond what could be classed as protecting their citizens.

That is where the issue is coming from. As there is no justifying Israel's actions so it does read as though you are classing anyone who says that as being Hamas sympathiser/supporter

Well the poll closed at 64% agreeing with op in the microcosm of mumsnet so it seems about 2/3 of the 157 who chose to vote think the op is reasonable.

Do you accept Hamas have said they’ll keep carrying out atrocities like 7 October over and over?

If Israel did permanently ceasefire (ie return to the status quo on October 6th) what would happen to the people living there ?

Goodness me, round and round in circles we go! The same questions are being asked time and time again, the same accusations are being thrown around.

And no I won’t explain what I mean, because the people asking repeated questions and throwing accusations around, absolutely understand exactly what I mean.

I’m seriously considering having some text to cut and paste from. Because as tedious as this is I think it’s important to keep talking about what is happening in Gaza.