To find the silence about UNRWA being Hamas hypocritical

[Muthaofcats]

I entirely understand the discomfort seeing images coming out of Gaza; but what I don’t get is those who choose to post about it on social media or campaign expressing their horror but being totally SILENT after October 7th (before Israeli had even responded), after evidence of the sexual violence suffered by those murdered in Israel and now, after finding out that UNWRA who they have all been sending donations to, are actually Hamas who perpetrated the atrocities.

Where is the outrage from these people at UNRWA?

Why are none of these vocal people not screaming from the roof tops at how horrendous this is !?! If it was true you care about humanity, why aren’t you horrified to learn you’ve all been donating to an organisation so closely linked to the rape and murder of innocent civilians ? (And this isn’t the first time unrwa has been linked to Hamas; their HQ is a Hamas building and they’ve famously been linked to training terrorists in their schools / got into hot water for removing the hollocaust from their curriculum)

if you are one of those white privileged women who posts on social media about a cease fire (I’m talking to those of you who have never been to the ME, or studied ME history and never taken up the cause of any of the other global conflicts); why is your outrage so one sided and blinkered ? Why don’t you acknowledge the horrors of the Israeli/ Jewish people too ? If you’re really the virtuous person you purport to be by taking up this cause, why don’t you care ? Or do you believe what Hamas did and are doing and promising to keep doing (murder all Jews) is justified ?

Genuinely find it bewildering.

I think both sides of the argument/ conflict use well worn tropes.

If you can give me the evidence I will read it

Besides @quantumbutterfly - the pipes are there already-our UK foreign minister said was just suggesting Israel should allow water through them to innocent civilians- as you know water is a basic human need?

It is extremely frustrating when people throw out inflammatory accusations without anything to back them up just to shut down debate

It is done in an attempt to do exactly that. To make people shut down and to also derail and go off the previous topic. It is deliberate but it also does not work so well these days.

So it goes round in circles and gets off the uncomfortable post that triggered the go-to response. Some cannot seem to accept the reality of the horrendous conditions Palestinian people are having to endure. Along with being unable to accept what they feel is anything critical of a certain government.

I have asked several times for "evidence" "proof" of these allegations but each time it is met with either silence or a subject change.

Me too… still waiting to see the proof how urnwa is funding the luxurious life of Hamas leaders in Qatar. Also , many times I don’t engang with those accusations I report the comments to mnhq

I'm curious about that one too!

You definitely have the best way with regards to that. Even asking for the evidence to support it is giving such a allegation the dignity of a response. Reporting is definitely the best way to deal with it.

I agree that posters should supply the evidence to support allegations.
Earlier posters have said that Hamas has offered to release all the hostages in order to achieve ceasefire/ end to bombing of Palestinians.
I can only find evidence that they would release the hostages if there was a release of ALL Palestinian prisoners. That doesn’t suggest Hamas is too concerned with the plight of civilians. It suggests they want some of their best Hamas fighters and tacticians back in play .

Dec 2 (Reuters) - Deputy Hamas chief Saleh Al-Arouri told the pan-Arab Al Jazeera TV on Saturday that no more prisoners would be exchanged with Israel until there was a ceasefire in Gaza.
Arouri said the hostages still being held captive by Hamas were Israeli soldiers and civilian men who had previously served in the Israeli army.
He said they would not be freed unless there was a ceasefire and all Palestinian detainees were also released.

Not really on topic - but just picking up in the point about evidencing assertions made

No - I would imagine most of us who you claim to be Hamas supporters, are just against mass killing of innocent civilians. And allowing them water…
Also- if sufficient aid is getting through (including enough for the hostage) why are children having amputations without anaesthesia, and women having caesareans without anaesthesia?

@YetAnotherSpartacus
Accusing posters of being Hamas sympathisers because you've misinterpreted their posts or read something that isn't there, is a serious accusation to make and especially without backing up your claim with actual evidence.

Since October I've seen many, many posts on the ME board proclaiming either sympathy with or outright support for Hamas. While I personally would have preferred them not to be zapped, don't pretend for one moment they haven't existed. If you haven't seen them you're either naive, wilfully obtuse and cherry-picking what you choose to see, or simply haven't being paying attention.

I agree - attempting to justify Hamas’s actions while never attempting to justify Israel’s right to protect its citizens IS being a Hamas sympathiser .

The go-to allegations of being a supporter/etc/etc are apparently directly related to posts on this thread.

The poster/s have been quite clear that is what they are directly on about.

However, no proof is shown to back up their allegations

Ahh so not agreeing with Israel's campaign against the Palestinian people means that someone "IS being a Hamas sympathiser"

Where have people on this thread attempted to justify Hamas actions?

To be clear disagreeing with Israeli actions in Gaza does not make you a Hamas sympathiser and it is extremely inflammatory to suggest it does

Funnily enough I never got an answer to this part of the exchange.

these are interesting graphics

https://www.unrwa.org/sites/default/files/unrwa_in_action_2023_eng.pdf

That mother could easily be Israeli, Syrian, Lebanese, Yazidi, Nigerian...don't you get bored of avoiding the answer.

Hamas and their ilk aren't resistance fighters, they're brutal psychopaths and their tactics create more destruction they don't end it.

They should be nothing to do with unwra but gazan society is so close knit that it's almost impossible for them not to be.

You accuse people like me of being uncaring and partisan, I'm realistic, for as long as hamas exists there will be no peace in gaza.

Antisemitism is nothing new. Surely time for it to stop

Hath not a Jew eyes? Hath not a Jew hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions? Fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means, warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer, as a Christian is? If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that. If a Jew wrong a Christian, what is his humility? Revenge. If a Christian wrong a Jew, what should his sufferance be by Christian example? Why, revenge. The villainy you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction.

Absolutely agree

But why can't you see that Palestinians also deserve to be treated, equally, fairly, justly and respected? Surely it's time to stop equating innocent people with terrorists. By doing so it makes it easier to kill and starve them. By dehumanising them it makes it easier to see them as less and deserving of this treatment. Israel has the right to defend itself but proportionately and within the law and it is imperative that the rest of society not directly involved in this conflict makes sure Israel keeps within the law. Can you not understand that?

well - not quite what I said.
I think that people who think it’s reasonable Hamas hold onto the hostages until ALL the Palestinian prisoners are released ( many of whom are Hamas members and have committed serious terrorist acts) are Hamas sympathisers .

@quantumbutterfly The villainy you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction.

Surely that cuts both ways?

That isn't what you said, though.

Ah yes

Hamas are "bad people". Not quite supporting but definitely minimising

I would also wonder at posts deliberately interchanging the terms Palestinian and Hamas for maximum outrage

And it’s not even what I said myself apparently I’m a Hamas supporter. Oh well I’ll add it to the list of accusations I’ve received in mn

I said “attempting to justify Hamas’s actions while never attempting to justify Israel’s right to protect its citizens IS being a Hamas sympathiser .”
And I stand by that.