To find the silence about UNRWA being Hamas hypocritical

[Muthaofcats]

I entirely understand the discomfort seeing images coming out of Gaza; but what I don’t get is those who choose to post about it on social media or campaign expressing their horror but being totally SILENT after October 7th (before Israeli had even responded), after evidence of the sexual violence suffered by those murdered in Israel and now, after finding out that UNWRA who they have all been sending donations to, are actually Hamas who perpetrated the atrocities.

Where is the outrage from these people at UNRWA?

Why are none of these vocal people not screaming from the roof tops at how horrendous this is !?! If it was true you care about humanity, why aren’t you horrified to learn you’ve all been donating to an organisation so closely linked to the rape and murder of innocent civilians ? (And this isn’t the first time unrwa has been linked to Hamas; their HQ is a Hamas building and they’ve famously been linked to training terrorists in their schools / got into hot water for removing the hollocaust from their curriculum)

if you are one of those white privileged women who posts on social media about a cease fire (I’m talking to those of you who have never been to the ME, or studied ME history and never taken up the cause of any of the other global conflicts); why is your outrage so one sided and blinkered ? Why don’t you acknowledge the horrors of the Israeli/ Jewish people too ? If you’re really the virtuous person you purport to be by taking up this cause, why don’t you care ? Or do you believe what Hamas did and are doing and promising to keep doing (murder all Jews) is justified ?

Genuinely find it bewildering.

@cindyhove
I wonder who many people, including in Israel have seen their neighbourhoods completely decimated, lost multiple members of their family, been shot at waving white flags, been moved from pillar to post and been shot on the way, had to have operations without anaesthesia, have 1 in 5 of their population missing…
So as @EasterIssland said- what is your point?

Precisely that. I am sure that it's a very different perspective for those who are actually affected on a day to day basis.
I'm a curious person.

As for those who mentioned why aren’t Palestinians thriving and independent - well why are the US voting whether to give Israel $18.7 billion in aid? Imagine that might buy Gaza a pretty good bomb dome…

Also, it’s difficult to have air defence when the country next door (Israel) bombed your air strip 🤔

Well I’m a pretty empathetic and curious person too, and I still can’t truly understand why the majority of Israelis continue to support bombardment of Gaza.

The only reason why I believe that the majority of Israelis continue to support the bombardment of Gaza is due to them dehumanising the Palestinians.

I understand that the news is reported in Israel doesn’t show the destruction of Gaza or speak about Gazans as individuals who are suffering- a luxury that the media provides to IDF soldiers.

Then derailment of the thread which isn’t allowed. Get a thread about that yourself

@Polka83 that's not true. You understand wrong.

Also you have to remember (whether successful or not) Israel is under constant bombardment from more than one source. There is also hundreds of thousands displaced.

Peace activists who worked hard to improve relations with Gazan's where raped and murdered in their beds. Caught out by information provided by those they trusted.

No mystery to me...
You could always try and asking some. Several post on here.

It’s what I heard admittedly from a podcast discussion between Rory Stewart and Alistair Campbell, both who are quite well informed from a media perspective. Perhaps they are wrong, but they were - like many of us despite being aware of what Israel has reported to happen on 7/10, trying to understand why Israelis continue to support bombardment of Gaza.

Do you ever think that if what Israel has done so far has clearly not worked, a different approach is required. Unless you think that’s genocide and ethnic cleansing…

I don't think you understand the restrictions of the blockade.

The lack of air defence systems is nothing to do with funding.

Why do you not know this?

I think Israel are currently ahead in terms of which side can massacre the most innocent civilians and they show no signs of slowing down. If they can't kill or maim they're happy to starve people. Israel and it's supporters have zero moral authority.

Well in all fairness what's prevented in the blockade is smuggled in through the tunnels. That's now Hamas can continue to fire numerous rockets.

Why do you not know this? Hamas and its supporters (whoever and what we nationalities they are) have zero moral authority. I hold particular contempt for those in Gaza who are holding hostages in their private homes.

Why was the persuasion required to reinstate water supply to Gaza- perhaps the IDF are worried about fighting well hydrated Hamas fighters with water guns?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-67926799

@Polka83 perhaps (unlike the medication that was promised) they were hoping the hostages might get water?

Well yes - great point- perhaps if Israel allowed in sufficient aid including medication for ALL vulnerable people in Gaza- the hostages would get some too.

But wait - are you arguing that the most moral army in the world were justified in not providing innocent civilians water….

Weren't water pipes dug up by hamas to repurpose as mortars?

Yes - from abandoned settlements some years ago - not those supplying Gaza with water.
Again- are you suggesting that it was a good idea to cut off water supply to children?

I wonder who many people, including in Israel have seen their neighbourhoods completely decimated, lost multiple members of their family, been shot at waving white flags, been moved from pillar to post and been shot on the way, had to have operations without anaesthesia, have 1 in 5 of their population missing…
So as @EasterIssland said- what is your point?

Hamas have got a lot to answer for, that's for sure!

Not sure the ICJ will necessarily see it that way. You see, the IDF can’t just go about punishing innocent civilians and destroying their infrastructure.

@Polka83 so they couldn't be repurposed for.... water?
Is it not infantilising to pass the buck all the time and expect Israel to be responsible? Is Hamas not responsible for not using any of the billions in aid to provide or procure the most basic of all needs?

But @Polka83 that was the agreement. They sent in medication and extra aid for both and it's been reported nothing reached the hostages. Hamas agreed to that.

What do you mean by this? Why are you pretending that no aid is spent in Gaza? Food is a basic need, aid provides food for 63% of people in Gaza(at least it did when aid was allowed to flow into gaza). Aid provided healthcare and medication to 100s of 1000s of people every year. It's hard to take someone seriously when they knowingly spreading misinformation. And Israel are responsible. That's what happens when you choose to be an occupying* *power.

Of course understand people made bombs from old water pipes in abandoned settlements- but they’re not using existing pipes in Gaza to do this.

History shows how Israel has controlled water available to Palestinians:

https://www.newarab.com/features/drop-drop-israels-occupation-gazas-water?amp

But we are were we are, and there are pro- Israeli supporters who think it’s completely justified- from their responses- to cut off water supply to civilians, half of whom are children

By the way - did you see that video of IDF taking out a water tank in a refugee camp in Gaza?

Not sure the ICJ will necessarily see it that way. You see, the IDF can’t just go about punishing innocent civilians and destroying their infrastructure.

I reckon the ICJ will eventually have a lot to say about Hamas concerning incitement to genocide

https://www.facebook.com/StandWithUs/videos/palestinian-children-in-gaza-recently-participated-in-a-kids-tv-show-and-express/10153213818697689/

as well as deliberately situating military installations in schools and hospitals, destruction of ais infrastructure such as water pipes and use of aid money intended for food and medical uses to military ones.

You’ve got no proof for your claims (we’ve all seen the videos that have been critiqued / doctored/ don’t stand upto scrutiny), and the only evidence you produce is of a child?

Am I? Goodness I had no idea that's what you thought I was suggesting. Ass-uming you are posting in good faith....how could I suggest such a thing?

Try harder.

True.

“On January 26, Israeli allegations against a dozen UNRWA employees surfaced. The agency immediately fired nine of them and said that two others were dead, hoping their swift and pre-emptive action would stave off rash U.S. actions. Nonetheless, the United States and a host of other countries immediately suspended funding for UNRWA, over the actions of 12 of over 30,000 employees, 13,000 of whom are in Gaza.
It’s worth pausing over that last fact for a moment. Twelve out of 13,000 Gaza employees have caused all of this, and it’s based on evidence that has not been made public. You’d never know that from much of the media coverage, which is, once again, treating Israeli allegations as proven facts. Nor could you tell by the U.S. response. Secretary of State Antony Blinken stated, “We haven’t had the ability to investigate [the allegations] ourselves. But they are highly, highly credible.”
That is a stunning statement. They are simply taking Israel’s word for it, and on that basis, they are suspending aid to nearly two million people who need that aid more than anyone in the world.
Recall that Israel, in October 2021, labeled six Palestinian organizations as being connected to “terrorist groups,” specifically referring to the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP). The “evidence” Israel presented was so threadbare that European countries dismissed it as baseless, and even the Biden administration, which has repeatedly supported Israeli claims based on no evidence that turned out to be false, could not accept the Israeli charges, though it avoided explicitly calling out Israel’s attempted deception.
Yet now, Israel has presented a “dossier” that contains its case against the twelve UNRWA workers. The actual evidence has not been made public, and even the United States, as noted above, has admitted it can’t verify the Israeli claims.”
https://mondoweiss.net/2024/02/u-s-admits-it-hasnt-verified-israels-unrwa-claims-media-ignores-it/

Also UNWatch is heavily biased:
“HistoryLaunched in 1993, UN Watch is a non-governmental organization based in Geneva, Switzerland, that monitors the performance of the United Nations and its adherence to its charter. Ambassador Alfred H. Moses serves as Chair for Un Watch, and Hillel Neuer is the Executive Director.
UN Watch was founded by Morris Berthold Abram, civil rights activist and former U.S. Honorary President of the American Jewish Committee, focusing on “monitoring the continuing discriminatory treatment of Israel in the UN system and attitudes toward Jews in the world body as well as those matters which concern American interests.“

Funded by / OwnershipAccording to Sourcewatch, the UN Watch lobby is for the removal of UN personnel who are considered critical of Israel: “US calls for resignation of UN’s Richard Falk Special rapporteur for Palestinian territories said NGO UN Watch should be investigated to ensure it’s not controlled by Israel” Further, according to Sourcewatch, UN Watch also is funded by the American Jewish Committee since 2001.

Analysis / BiasA former UN Secretary-General, Kofi Annan, praises UN Watch. The Economist describes UN Watch as a “Geneva-based pro-Israeli monitor.” In contrast, Right web describes UN Watch’s political stance as “UN Watch has repeatedly been accused of having a staunchly “pro-Israel” bias and an outlook on Middle East peace that is closely aligned with that of Israel’s right-wing Likud Party.”
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/un-watch/