Aid workers accused of taking part on 7/10 attack on Israel - appalling !

[Lanabigbanana]

https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/official-statements/serious-allegations-against-unrwa-staff-gaza-strip

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-palestinian-refugee-agency-investigates-staff-suspected-role-israel-attacks-2024-01-26/

From the Guardian 5 hours ago;

"UK suspends UNRWA support after Israeli allegations The UK has temporarily paused future funding of UNRWA, saying it is “appalled by allegations that UNRWA staff were involved in the 7 October attack against Israel”.
A statement sent to the Guardian by the UK’s foreign, commonwealth and development office said:
'The UK is appalled by allegations that UNRWA staff were involved in the 7 October attack against Israel, a heinous act of terrorism that the UK government has repeatedly condemned.

The UK is temporarily pausing any future funding of UNRWA whilst we review these concerning allegations.'

We remain committed to getting humanitarian aid to the people in Gaza who desperately need it."

Well ... nothing a quick test will not answer ...

EDIT / UPDATE: namechanged - still being defaulted back to the username that I have posted on the thread under before. If I try and open a new thread or post on one I have not engaged with, the change works!

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"After reviewing Israel’s official evidence regarding claims UNRWA staff were involved in the 7/10 attack, Channel 4 have concluded that “Israel provides NO evidence to support this claim”"

@inkworks273 I don't find it shocking that there wasn't any evidence found. I'm more shocked that Israel didn't try to fabricate evidence if anything.

I hope the countries that cut funding go back to funding the UNWRA before it's too late.

And what have Channel 4 got to do with it?

The UN is the responsible body, surely ?

@Lanabigbanana In another thread you're demanding actual evidence before believing something and here you are defending the allegations made by Israel against the UNWRA without evidence. You can't pick and choose.

What are you talking about?

"the allegations made by Israel against the UNWRA without evidence. "??

Israel supplied evidence.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/28/world/middleeast/gaza-unrwa-hamas-israel.html

And the UN seem to be taking it seriously

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/5/un-chief-appoints-independent-panel-to-assess-unrwa

Sky news was show a report by Israel and concluded the same thing “the report provided by idf doesn’t directly link with any urnwa worker”

To quote you

“Newspaper reports aren't 'evidence'. I asked for 'evidence'.”

The dossier referred to in the article are accusations. That’s not evidence.

See my post of 11.38.

UN must think it has merit as they are investigating.

So C4 and Sky News are now the adjudicators on this matter ??

Their opinions don't count for Jack.

The UN, on the other hand, is a different matter.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/01/1145942

Good. That’s what it should happen. That doesn’t mean it’s true. Ch4 and sky news have seen the reports provided by idf accusing urnwa members. So far they’ve not found any involvement. Sometimes you need independent people looking into accusations/reports as well.

This is what I’d expect from a formal complaint organisation to do , to investigate any accusations against their workers. It doesn’t mean the accusations are real , it means they’ll investigate and if they’re then they’ll act on those involve. That’s what I’d expect from any company

This is what I’d expect from a formal complaint organisation to do , to investigate any accusations against their workers. It doesn’t mean the accusations are real , it means they’ll investigate and if they’re then they’ll act on those involve. That’s what I’d expect from any company

Agreed

You seem to demand concrete evidence for some things but not for others which you blindly believe without evidence and on rumour and propaganda. It totally depends which one suits your rhetoric.

The Channel 4 report is very important, it seems there could be very little evidence, yet governments around the world including UK withdraw their funding, which in turn will see more deaths through starvation and disease. If this mean’s governments reverse their decisions whilst a larger body investigates then this is a good thing surely.

@Livinginanotherworld
You seem to demand concrete evidence for some things but not for others which you blindly believe without evidence and on rumour and propaganda. It totally depends which one suits your rhetoric.

Exactly my point earlier too.

@Lanabigbanana
So this is the evidence that the Israeli’s claim to have according to the source you quoted ” Israeli intelligence officers had established the movements of six of the men inside Israel on Oct. 7 based on their phones; others had been monitored while making phone calls inside Gaza during which, the Israelis say, they discussed their involvement in the Hamas attack.
Three others got text messages ordering them to report to muster points on Oct. 7, and one was told to bring rocket-propelled grenades stored at his home,”
So it’s phone evidence, collected by the worlds’s most moral army, the one that brought us Pegasus and Blue wolf , you know the one that shoots children who are running away or lying on the ground? The same paper has a 6 minute read about how the military engineers have run amok demolishing civilian infrastructure and behaving inappropriately
So sufficient to trigger an investigation but not really evidence to indicate that more than a tiny fraction of UNWRA workers were directly involved in 7/10 .
Israel wants to get rid of UNWRA because they want to eliminate the claim of right to return.

Does the moniker ' worlds most moral army' effect their ability to collect phone data? Do you have to be particularly moral for that?

Shall we add Hamas ' worlds most ruthless terrorists and rapists' every time we discuss this. It's all very puerile.

@stomachameleon Puerile is the excuse that is being given by apologists for the soldiers shown singing and dancing in the ruins of the homes they have destroyed, oblivious as to whether there are human remains in the debris.
They are just clearing the area- I’m not an engineer but it’s petty obvious that this is not about finding tunnel entrances.
And the thing about mobile phone data is that it’s not actual physical evidence , is it? It’s absolutely credible that 12-13 people out of a workforce of 13,000 would be terrorists but who would rely on IDF when they’re failing so abysmally, have such a track record of misinformation, not allow journalists in and have a vested interest in discrediting UNWRA.
And killing and maiming and orphaning thousands of children is not the way to go even if Hamas are the worlds most ruthless terrorists and rapists. The children who have been killed weren’t rapists and murderers.

@Kindatired I think that it js naive and shows no idea of what it's like to serve In any war zone to expect soldiers to tip toe over the remnants of houses (whilst making sure they aren't shot or blown up) How would you suggest they get about?

How do you know what they are looking for? Being glued to social media makes you an expert in nothing.

Israel have said for years that unwra is compromised. Unwra themselves admitted they have had issues and I read an interview Today where the head of unwra said these people had caused damage to their work. I have seen evidence. Unwra deleted messages. The un said they had seen things. I Don't think it's unwra being infiltrated that bothers you so much but more that Israel is right to be suspicious.

Hamas knew what the reaction would be. The blood is on Hamas hands. Who does that to the women and children they represent? They are human shields to male terrorist egos.

That’s a new low for you @stomachameleon

Are you for real? You are seriously defending soldiers behaving that way? Can the Israeli government and the IDF do no wrong in your eyes? Why do you defend them so much?

@Kindatired where can I read that article?

@stomachameleon “Being glued to social media makes you an expert in nothing. “ At least we agree on something. If you have friends and extended family in the IDF it is difficult to have them criticised but we will have to disagree. The videos I referred to were analysed by experts from the New York Times, a quality but very pro Israeli newspaper.

Why do posters keep adding that, I wonder

Is it on a checklist somewhere?

@PeasfullPerson I genuinely can't see anything in @stomachameleon 's post that warranted that response?

@Kindatired "Puerile is the excuse that is being given by apologists for the soldiers shown singing and dancing in the ruins of the homes they have destroyed, oblivious as to whether there are human remains in the debris."

Interesting.

Try this.

Puerile was the excuse that was given by apologists for the Gazans shown singing and dancing on 9/11, oblivious as to whether there are human remains in the debris of the Twin Towers. The only difference is that the human remains were 5,000+ miles away,

https://www.facebook.com/StandWithUs/videos/actual-footage-of-some-palestinians-celebrating-at-the-sight-of-the-911-terroris/10153977936617689/