ICJ: SA Genocide Case vs. ISR - part 2

[HeidiInTheBigCity]

1st thread is full - here comes part 2!

@Balamsass
No-one has come out and said that they don't support the Arms Trade.

Really?! No one. I think you mean you haven’t and are completely unaware of all of us that do protest the international arms trade.

I have been going every year to protests against the annual RAF and USAF air shows like the one at Farnborough which are basically big displays put on for foreign ambassadors for the express purpose of encouraging them to put in orders to buy arms and the planes, helicopters, ships, subs, and tanks for them.

There is the reality of needing to prioritise your time and effort towards the conflicts that are killing people at the fastest rate. You can’t give a conflict that kills 5,000 in a year the same standing and condemnation as a conflict that kills 30,000 in four months without deciding that certain human lives are worth more than others.

You have no idea what people are doing outside of mumsnet. The people on here are responding to a thread about a specific event happening now.

You either support human rights violations or you don't,
I do. I educate myself as much as I can about the atrocities happening across the world. I work with refugees and asylum seekers in my community development work and learn first hand about these atrocities I am at the moment* *contributing to a thread about the conflict in the middle east. I have no idea why you think people are being inconsistent when you have no idea what they do and say outside of this threads. All I can see is someone trying to shut down a debate.

“I have no idea why you think people are being inconsistent when you have no idea what they do and say outside of this threads. All I can see is someone trying to shut down a debate.”

Me too.

The peace protests now are really an example of a long standing issue that has recently expanded in awareness. There has always been concern and protest about the rights of Palestinians. Today is just the day the eyes of the world are on them and perhaps there may be the international collective will to do something to resolve the conflict as the region hasn’t been able to do it for itself.

The same goes for most long standing issues- they bubble away for decades, even centuries, before boiling over. The #metoo movement on sexual harrassment was the boiling point after decades of women in the workplace protesting their mistreatment. The XR climate change crisis protests recently were also the boiling point after decades of environmentalists protesting the incessant destruction of the planet.

I think we're seeing a derailing gish gallop of world conflicts by a poster who doesn't appear to understand the history or geopolitics of any of them.

... and the best response, as ever, is to report anything that is obviously against guidelines and completely ignore the entire rest!

At the risk of momentarily derailing my own thread: I did have to smile at "Gish Gallop" - niche word, but OG Gish most certainly deserved having the technique named after him! 🐎

... back to regular programming!

So when do Israel have to submit their report by? And will we hear about it?

Report due 23rd February

No idea if it will be made public

Israeli weapons have also been spotted being used by the RSF in the field.
https://www.military.africa/2023/10/israeli-artillery-seen-with-rsf-forces/

So disturbing.

Thank you @Efacsen

It seems even a American shipment of flour that is so desperately needed in Gaza right now has been held up for a month by Israel. The US is 'pleading' for it to be allowed In

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/us-reissues-plea-for-israel-to-allow-massive-american-shipment-of-flour-into-gaza/

Well, if they are so very desperate they could always ... you know ... stop sending more fucking weapons and ammunition. Just a thought, call me bonkers!

In all seriousness, though: little about all of this outrages me more than the blatant, openly visible hypocrisy of the US bleating on about "oh, but: civilians!" and "we are pleading, desperately!" - while arming Israel and vetoing every UN resolution with even a semblance of teeth.

It's disgusting!

Totally in line with a long-standing tradition in US-foreign policy (ask most of Latin America, and the Middle East) to be fair - but disgusting nonetheless!

@HeidiInTheBigCity yes no doubt the hypocrisy is glaring. Its not as if they don't have the leverage and power to get Smotrich to approve it coming in as he seems to be the one holding it up

It’s also an insult to our intelligence, that people are dim enough to fall for their empty words.

Wasn't it Smotrich who was saying that Hamas was stealing 60% of the humanitarian aid? So not too surprising that the no of trucks this week has fallen by 60% in an attempt to starve them out [poor hostages*] and/or turn the local population against them/snitch on the whereabouts of hostages?

I read earlier that UN/WHO are wanting to set up a 'feeding station' for children in Rafah because of the high rates of malnutrition already detected -without the recent reduction in food aid. Obviously that's not going to be very effective if everyone gets evacuated off somewhere else or gets caught up in a land invasion

They're really turning the screw now - totally oblivious to the ICJ ruling

*poor locals obviously too

I don't know what to think about this - it was reported earlier this week as Egypt strengthening it's defences against incoming Palestinian refugees

All that food aid that's festering in Egypt unable to be delivered into Gaza will be very useful if they are forced out of Gaza

Egypt appears to be preparing space in Sinai for displaced Palestinians: Report

The Washington Post reports that the Egyptian government appears to be preparing for the possibility of an influx of Palestinians pushed out of Gaza into the Sinai Peninsula if an anticipated Israeli assault on Rafah moves forward.

Some Israeli officials have promoted expelling Gaza’s population since the beginning of the war, but Israel’s allies, including the US, have warned that they would not support the forced displacement of Palestinians out of Gaza.

“Egyptian officials have threatened to suspend the countries’ 40-year peace accord if an attack on Rafah forces refugees across the border; new footage obtained by The Washington Post suggests Egypt is preparing for such a scenario,” the Post reported.

This week, the UK-based group Sinai Foundation for Human Rights, which has a monitoring team in Sinai, reported that Egypt was constructing a large concrete barrier to contain Palestinian refugees who could be displaced to Egypt.

The Post reported that it has verified video footage and other data showing that Egypt is “clearing debris from a rectangular plot of land measuring about eight square miles [21sq km] adjacent to the Gaza border, with a concrete wall being built around the perimeter”.

An unidentified Egyptian official also suggested to the US newspaper that the the move is likely a contingency plan for what Egypt sees as a “worst-case scenario”.

Egypt has vehemently rejected the forced displacement of Palestinians into its territory.

Sorry for the spamming

New satellite photos released this morning show strengthening of Gaza-Egypt border wall at Rafah and [as above] walled compound near Kerem Shalom and Israel -Egypt border

If the Israeli government actually cared about Palestinian civilians they would help to ensure that aid got to them, and not use it falling into the hands of Hamas fighters as an excuse to starve them and blow them up.

I'm not sure that the Israeli government have any care at all for the local population - somewhere between they're in the way to regarding them as vermin

Local police have been tasked with protecting the aid convoys but of course they are Hamas government employees and are being targeted by the IDF and IDK maybe helping themselves to aid from the convoys

This morning Israel is blaming the UN again for lack of aid [below]

Israeli diplomat accuses the UN of slowing down aid deliveries in Gaza

Yaki Lopez, a diplomat at Israel’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, has claimed that Israel is “facilitating the delivery of aid to Gaza faster than the UN can deliver it”.

“For the last 3 days, 500 trucks with aid inspected by Israel has been waiting on the Gaza side to be distributed by UN agencies,” he wrote on X. “Hey, @UN get your act together and pick it up already!”

Interesting that the diplomat suggesting that 500 trucks is a big back-log - it's only one day of aid pre-war

Ridiculous, when everyone knows that Israel is starving the population.

*Israeli diplomat accuses the UN of slowing down aid deliveries in Gaza

Yaki Lopez, a diplomat at Israel’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, has claimed that Israel is “facilitating the delivery of aid to Gaza faster than the UN can deliver it”.

“For the last 3 days, 500 trucks with aid inspected by Israel has been waiting on the Gaza side to be distributed by UN agencies,” he wrote on X. “Hey, @UN get your act together and pick it up already!”*

Does Israel accept responsibility for anything?

What a joke.

If you're interested there are aerial photos at the top of the Guardian live feed of Rafah in 2022 and now - showing just how overcrowded it is there

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