ICJ: SA Genocide Case vs. ISR - part 2

[HeidiInTheBigCity]

1st thread is full - here comes part 2!

@Efacsen I read the report today, and was shocking to see about the babies dying from being malnourished at just a few days old.
There's also part of Gaza that are now in famine.

Slovenia is the latest country - and first European one - to join the case of the side of South Africa!

https://www.timesofisrael.com/slovenia-joins-icj-motion-against-israeli-practices-in-west-bank-gaza-e-jerusalem/

I read there's over 24,000 people killed now in Gaza, including 10,000 children. Surely its time to stop now and start talking? Surely there's someone in the world, someone that can get people together in a room and actually talking to end all this, rather than what we have happening now. Surely even the most adamant pro Israel posters here want this to stop and some sense being talked by everyone?

It just feels so utterly futile and past desperation now. A whole population is being eroded, slowly and without care. Its just so bloody heart breaking to watch.

And i don't know the answer, so please, don't come at me with the excuses.

BBC News - Israel Gaza war: Deal reached on aid to Gaza, including to hostages
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68000227

Surely even the most adamant pro Israel posters here want this to stop and some sense being talked by everyone?

It's not that. It's that the Hamas leadership keeps doubling down about their intention to carry out more atrocities and to keep fighting. They're still firing barrages of rockets.
So how is a ceasefire achievable? It's clear they'll use any break in the hostilities to regroup and plan further attacks.
I'd love to see the fighting stop, any person who isn't a psychopath would, but the pressure needs to be on both sides. Probably including Hamas stepping away from Gaza.

US senators have defeated a measure, introduced by Bernie Sanders, that would have made military aid to Israel conditional on whether the Israeli government is violating human rights and international accords in its devastating war in Gaza.
A majority of senators struck down the proposal on Tuesday evening, with 72 voting to kill the measure, and 11 supporting it. Although Sanders’ effort was easily defeated, it reflected growing tension among Democrats over US support for Israel.

11 senators supporting the Bill is definitely a start and shows the slow shift right at the highest level
The indiscriminate killing and severe destruction of Gaza is starting to become recognised even amongst the allies

A repost as the old thread is now finished
A NYT report talks about the excessive use of 2000 pound bombs in urban areas and the impact it has
And the worst part is that these munitions bombed over 200 safe zones after asking Gazans to move there for 'safety'
It's only a minute long but a huge eye opener or the ongoing aggression on civilians
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C1K6EeyuF36/?igsh=eW9tNWNtbXA3dnl1

Please provide evidence that the outcome of a ceasefire would be what you suggest here.

So @SomeCatFromJapan , really what you are saying is 'we will keep on bombing hamas incase they bomb us'?

In that case its a one sided argument. Israel clearly has the power to obliterate Gaza, hamas doesn't have that power over Israel, no matter what they say.

So somehow, someone needs to get them both together and thrash this out. Compromise on both sides is the only option. Neither is all right and neither is all wrong.

@PeasfullPerson sure, this is from 10 January:
https://x.com/MEMRIReports/status/1745044216697201131?s=20

@ssd what so you mean "in case"? Hamas are bombing Israel. There's a near constant rocket barrage. There was also a fatal terrorist attack two days ago that killed a 70 year old woman and hospitalised several children. She was grabbed off the street, stabbed repeatedly and thrown from a car.

Please provide evidence that the outcome of a ceasefire would be what you suggest here.

Please provide evidence that Hamas will lay down their toys and play like nice little boys if Israel retreats.

Israel forbids medical staff from talking to the UN group investigating attacks on Oct 7.

www.instagram.com/p/C2LtgktIyoV/?igsh=bHltdjkxZTI4c3R3

I've noticed this happening so often on mn, it probably happens in the media too. Whenever murders are mentioned, if its Palestinian its '20 people were killed today' with no facts or description of how they died. But pro Israel supporters nearly always give a brutal description of how the Israeli person was killed. Its sort of always to prove a point.
I don't know why its done. A death is awful on either side.

I dont know the answer to all this.

But it just feels like the Palestinians are less than Israelis as their deaths don't get a detailed description. Probably because there are just too many of them.

I posted this on another thread but here it is again.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/comprehensive-listing-of-terrorism-victims-in-israel

I've also noticed there's more outrage over the deaths of Israeli civilians than the Palestinians. Like its worse, somehow.

I've noticed this happening so often on mn, it probably happens in the media too. Whenever murders are mentioned, if its Palestinian its '20 people were killed today' with no facts or description of how they died. But pro Israel supporters nearly always give a brutal description of how the Israeli person was killed. Its sort of always to prove a point.

But there are many people posting links about individual Palestinian deaths too. Often with very graphic images or videos.
To me, the fact that this is what you took from the death I mentioned feels conversely like Israeli deaths are seen as lesser, or just to prove some sort of point.

@YetAnotherSpartacus , you've just proved my point

@ssd I agree with everything you've just said. It's so biased especially with MSM and the way they've been reporting. It's awful and shameful.

No, I haven't. I've posted a list.

A ceasefire would be calling both sides to ceasefiring. A ceasefire, currently seems the most likely method for the release of the remaining hostages and for diplomatic channels to be employed to move forward. I can't understand why those who are calling for a ceasefire are being criticised, especially when it's been endorsed by the overwhelming majority states in the world right now

Wonder what the excuse will be for this

Jordanian army accuses Israel of 'flagrant breach of international law' after field hospital in Gaza damaged

The Jordanian army said on Wednesday its military field hospital in the city of Khan Younis in Gaza was badly damaged as a result of Israeli shelling in the vicinity.

In a statement, the army said it held Israel responsible for a “flagrant breach of international law”.

@Efacsen oh that's terrible, just seen it right now on sky. Reuters has also reported that one medical staff was injured and another patient by shrapnel. Aswell as extensive damage to the hospital
Overnight there has been alot of shelling near An-nasser hospital too

Oh, well then one OAP Israeli murdered in the past 48hrs by Hamas in retaliation during a war is clearly more than enough reason to keep slaughtering an average of 500 Palestinians every 48hrs in Gaza.

Is that the new life exchange rate? 1 Israeli civilian = 500 Palestinian civilians (200 of which are children)?

Of course when they are referred to as “human animals” by Yoav Gallant and others that does indicate their lives are worth a lot less, less than 0.2% of a human that isn’t a “human animal.”

Source for 250 Palestinians being slaughtered every day
https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/daily-death-rate-gaza-higher-any-other-major-21st-century-conflict-oxfam

@Parkingt111 the seriously injured member of staff is being air-lifted back to Jordan and it seems like they plan to continue to to work from the hospital - ?so not too badly damaged