ICJ: SA Genocide Case vs. ISR - part 2

[HeidiInTheBigCity]

1st thread is full - here comes part 2!

I’m not in EU management, honeybun.
But I hope enough people get angry that a critical mass is reached and this doesn’t go on for much longer.

You really think that a load of angry people can move the EU executive ??

Dream on sweetie.

I hope they can. The thought of it is certainly making you angry.

The bottom line is, Israel is nothing without extensive support from its rich supporters.

@Balamsass Israel is behaving like a rogue state.
The EU has a long-standing trade agreement with Israel and respect for human rights is one of the key elements of the underlying framework.
The EU is Israel’s biggest trading partner about a quarter of its exports and about a third of imports are from EU countries. By contrast, Israel is only the EU’s 25th biggest trade partner.
So a complete trade ban would bring Israel to its knees, but would be somewhat inconvenient for the EU.
Josep Borrell is the EU high representative for security and foreign policy, so there are many people who are interested in his opinions.
But as you pointed out for the hard of thinking, Britain is not in the EU and can respond with sanctions.

Wow. You really like this war!

What did the ICJ ruling say about promoting flow of aid into Gaza?

Top US official confirms Israel not allowing flour into Gaza

White House National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan says the Israeli government has not allowed the aid into Gaza despite promises to the US government.

And this

Israeli foreign minister says UNRWA cannot be part of Gaza aid distribution

Israeli Foreign Minister Israel Katz has told German counterpart Annalena Baerbock that UNRWA cannot be part of humanitarian assistance in Gaza “under any circumstances”. The remarks come as Israel blocks vital shipments of humanitarian assistance for Gaza, claiming that the UN agency collaborates with Hamas.

Israel has been very successful at blocking aid this week.
https://www.ochaopt.org/content/hostilities-gaza-strip-and-israel-reported-impact-day-130

Well if that evil man was to get his way he'd be signing a death warrant for millions of people.

Yes average of 34 trucks/day over the last 5 days against approx 100/day usually

100/day is 20% of needed aid [Oxfam]

So now down to 7% of requirements

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But angry people can involve lawyers to uphold the law, darling.

The Appeal Court in Netherlands blocked transfer of fighter plan parts to Israel or else Netherlands would be complicit in Israel’s war crimes.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-we 68272233.amp

Spain and Ireland wrote to EU leaders
to ask for a legal opinion on whether Israel’s actions in Gaza amount to breaking the terms of their trade agreement- which calls for respect of human rights. That would be interesting- if the EU lawyers agree that the plausible genocide by an Israel did have impact on ability of EU to trade with it.

That’s very sad, which seems like a massive understatement when I write it. It must be like hell, with that many people in one space. I don’t know what to write. I wish I could put my arms around everyone who is feeling this and somehow keep them safe. I hope that people manage to keep going, it feels like one way or another that an ending is near. I hate it when I read that people feel like they have been forgotten or that nobody cares, it’s not true, there are so many people that want this to end. The shame is on the people who caused this and the dignity belongs to all who kept trying their best to survive it. Why do we always end up with such useless leaders.

It's awfully sad and worse still deliberately designed to be this way

@PeasfullPerson it's hard to know what to write or say anymore. They're going through hell at the moment and just wish we could do more to stop this. It's true what you say about hearing them say people have forgotten or that nobody cares because there are people like you and I and other posters on here that genuinely do and I wish they knew it.

Actually yes
But enough talk of economic sanctions will make an impact because money is mobile and markets don’t like this kind of thing.
And don’t forget that Moodys has down rated Israel’s rating 4 days ago and S&P has threatened another down rating for Israel if the conflict widens further. Both view the outlook for the Israeli economy as negative.
And don’t forget that there are more than a quarter of a million reservists , and even if some have gone back to work, that’s a lot of workers from their economy, especially as the least productive sector don’t usually serve.
So if you’re Uk based, call on your public representatives to implement sanctions - it will likely have more impact than posting for the benefit of @Balamsass

That's incorrect. I don't like any war/wars.

Neither do I like one nation/country/group of countries telling a third sovereign nation how to run it's affairs, especially when it :

a) is a matter of national security for that third country or
b) doesn't directly affect the critics.

Are you aware that at one stage the EU wanted to create an EU army that all member States would have to support? It would have the power to enter into any EU country without invitation.

The European army or EU army are terms for a hypothetical army of the European Union which would supersede the Common Security and Defence Policy and would go beyond the proposed European Defence Union.

I also believe that 'people in glass houses' etc. - not all of the permanent members of the UN Security Council have exactly "clean hands".

Here's an example of one country not liking others interfering in their affairs :

https://news.sky.com/video/us-kiss-my-ass-was-the-response-of-republican-majorie-taylor-greene-to-david-camerons-pleas-for-us-to-provide-more-funding-for-ukraine-13071765

When a country is committing war crimes the international community has a duty to intervene.

When there's a threat of genocide countries who are signatories to the Genocide Convention have a legal obligation to try to stop it.

@ConnieCounter "When a country is committing war crimes the international community has a duty to intervene."

So where is the outcry over the Civil War in South Sudan? I don't see anyone taking to the streets of London over that conflict.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/10/corpses-on-streets-sudans-rsf-kills-1300-in-darfur-monitors-say

Likewise the situation in Haiti, the South Caucasus and Mali.

What about Iran's brutal regime that has killed thousands of protesters by shooting them in the streets?

Trouble is brewing again in Ethiopia.
Two recent agreements have brought an end, for now, to a war in Ethiopia’s northern Tigray region that has taken hundreds of thousands of lives. But with key questions unresolved, plenty could go wrong. Much will depend on whether Tigray's forces disarm and Eritrean troops withdraw – and in what sequence.

So it seems to me that some people are very selective with their concern and think that Palestinian lives are more important than those in the above countries.

Are you aware that at one stage the EU wanted to create an EU army that all member States would have to support? It would have the power to enter into any EU country without invitation.

I thought this kind of misinformation died when we brexited. No the EU didn't want to do that. Some EU politicians may have suggested it but that's not the same thing.

Countries don't need to "have clean hands" to object to human rights violations.

Stop trying to shame people into shutting up about what Israel are doing.

This question keeps coming up.

The EU and UK are not funding any of the above killings. What many of us want us for them stop funding the killing in Gaza.

Agreed. Our government is actively funding and providing political cover for these killings.

I also think that because the Palestinians are filming what is happening to them it means there is so much more awareness of what is going on.

@inkworks273 So what you're saying is that because people can't see the mass slaughter of the people of Darfur it doesn't matter?

It would be convenient for some if everyone did focus on Darfur rather than on Gaza.

We're past the whataboutery stage of the debate now. Israel is committing war crimes. Shame on you.

Why are you comparing a civil war to the Israel/Gaza war? The contexts are different.

There are also no comparable situations where an army has "evacuated" over one million people to a small area then threatened to start bombing that area too.

Why so keen to deflect?