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Conflict in the Middle East

ICJ: SA Genocide Case vs. ISR - part 2

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HeidiInTheBigCity · 15/01/2024 07:50

1st thread is full - here comes part 2!

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stomachameleon · 05/02/2024 22:06

Maybe if hamas was open about who was alive. Let the Red Cross in and acknowledged the concerns of the families?
Acknowledging the last medical stuff sent in would go along way to establishing Trust.
As things stand they feel nothing is getting in.

stomachameleon · 05/02/2024 22:08

I was mostly challenging the 'sick in the head' comment when it's been Well discussed who is doing the blocking?

Livinginanotherworld · 05/02/2024 22:09

stomachameleon · 05/02/2024 21:58

@inkworks273 would you stand by that statement if those people are families with missing family members?
That they haven't seen for over a hundred days?
They may be missing limbs that haven't been treated?
That are Beside themselves with grief and worry that their daughters are being raped?
Where promised meds that they never got?
That will try anything to be heard.

They aren't sick in the head. They are desperate.

Bring them home.

So they want revenge do they ? Do they want even more children to die ? Is 25,000 plus deaths not enough ?
I don’t think Netanyahu will do anything because they are blocking the trucks, if anything it makes them more susceptible to genocide charges, he doesn’t seem that bothered does he ?
Surely they can see that they will cause more harm to the actual hostages as well if they block all aid getting through, they need the food and water too.

EasterIssland · 05/02/2024 22:16

stomachameleon · 05/02/2024 22:08

I was mostly challenging the 'sick in the head' comment when it's been Well discussed who is doing the blocking?

“Relatives of Israeli hostages and activists set to march all week”
https://www.timesofisrael.com/protesters-blocking-delivery-of-aid-to-gaza-plan-march-to-jerusalem/amp/

“Extremist Jewish settlers in Israel continued on Monday to block humanitarian aid going into the Gaza Strip.”
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/extremist-jewish-settlers-persist-in-attempt-to-block-humanitarian-aid-to-gaza/3128635

some are relatives. Not all

EasterIssland · 05/02/2024 22:25

2 news related with icj

some of japans companies are stopping business with Israel post icj decision

https://m.jpost.com/international/article-785226

also, I’ve seen in x but haven’t found a source yet in media : Nicaragua is taking Germany, Canada, the UK, and the Netherlands to the ICJ for supporting the Israeli genocide, under the Genocide Convention

Livinginanotherworld · 05/02/2024 22:29

I’ve just been reading that too, why aren’t the US included I wonder ?

Livinginanotherworld · 05/02/2024 22:33

Just reading now, Channel 4 have the evidence dossier on UNWRA. Seems there is very little to no actual evidence.

Livinginanotherworld · 05/02/2024 22:34

Tried to link, but I’m a bit of a technophobe 🙄

EasterIssland · 05/02/2024 22:34

Livinginanotherworld · 05/02/2024 22:29

I’ve just been reading that too, why aren’t the US included I wonder ?

Someone asked that question in the x comment I copied the text from. Unsure whether true. I thought SA was reporting USA and uk?

ICJ: SA Genocide Case vs. ISR - part 2
EasterIssland · 05/02/2024 22:37

Livinginanotherworld · 05/02/2024 22:33

Just reading now, Channel 4 have the evidence dossier on UNWRA. Seems there is very little to no actual evidence.

https://www.channel4.com/news/israels-evidence-of-unrwa-hamas-allegations-examined

you might want to post it in the urnwa thread rather than the icj one.

Israel’s evidence of UNRWA Hamas allegations examined

The UN Secretary General has announced an investigation into UNRWA.

https://www.channel4.com/news/israels-evidence-of-unrwa-hamas-allegations-examined

Livinginanotherworld · 05/02/2024 22:38

Ah sorry, my mistake, I was talking about aid and misconnected it in here.

EasterIssland · 05/02/2024 22:39

Livinginanotherworld · 05/02/2024 22:38

Ah sorry, my mistake, I was talking about aid and misconnected it in here.

No worries :) I’ve posted it on the other thread too

Desertrose2023 · 06/02/2024 15:26

stomachameleon · 05/02/2024 21:58

@inkworks273 would you stand by that statement if those people are families with missing family members?
That they haven't seen for over a hundred days?
They may be missing limbs that haven't been treated?
That are Beside themselves with grief and worry that their daughters are being raped?
Where promised meds that they never got?
That will try anything to be heard.

They aren't sick in the head. They are desperate.

Bring them home.

Yes they are sick in the head, families or not. We do not live in a world where an eye for an eye is the going morality ( or I thought we didn’t - I’m not sure anymore). Fear about a family member does not give anyone the right to attack food trucks and prevent aid to starving children!

Are you going to make excuses for Hamas members who committed atrocities on October 7th because they had family killed by Israel? Would you accept someone saying they were desperate with grief and wanted revenge? No. Nothing justifies such behavior. What an appalling argument. You should be ashamed.

Desertrose2023 · 06/02/2024 15:28

Furthermore there is no evidence whatsoever those people blocking aid are family members of hostages. A number of them are identified in news reports as extremist settlers looking to recolonize Gaza.

MissyB1 · 06/02/2024 16:40

Desertrose2023 · 06/02/2024 15:30

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-02-01/ty-article/.premium/israeli-right-wing-groups-block-trucks-delivering-aid-to-gaza-clash-with-arab-drivers/0000018d-650c-d32e-a3cf-efdc71920000

From Haaretz article:

Some 150 protesters, most of them settlers, including far-right MK Tzvi Succot, protested at the Ashdod port for hours. Some were seen harassing Arab drivers: 'I'm the master here, you're the slave,' said one of the protesters to a driver

Eugh what vile individuals 😡

stomachameleon · 06/02/2024 16:54

@Desertrose2023 I stand by what I said. Ta anyway.

HeidiInTheBigCity · 06/02/2024 17:16

In an update on the legal / ICJ front:

The government of Nicaragua appears to have put the governments of the United Kingdom, Germany, the Netherlands, and Canada on notice over what it regards as complicity and hence potential violations of the genocide convention.

Source: Nicaraguan newspaper El 19 https://www.el19digital.com/articulos/ver/titulo:148879-gobierno-de-nicaragua-impedir-y-detener-el-genocidio-en-palestina

Some quotes from the article (translated):

The Government of Reconciliation and National Unity informs the People of Nicaragua and the International Community that it has notified the governments of the United Kingdom, Germany, the Netherlands and Canada of its decision to hold them responsible under International Law for flagrant and systematic violations of the Convention for the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, International Humanitarian Law and Customary Law, including the Law on occupation in the Occupied Palestinian Territories, in particular the Gaza Strip.

[...]

The obligation to prevent genocide arises and begins when there is a risk of its occurrence; in fact, when it is plausible that it is occurring or may occur. This probability is now beyond all doubt and controversy.
In this sense, Nicaragua has urged the Governments of the United Kingdom, Germany, the Netherlands and Canada to immediately stop the supply of weapons, ammunition, technology and/or components to Israel, since it is plausible that they have been used to facilitate or commit violations of the Genocide Convention, including, but not limited to, acts of genocide, attempted genocide, complicity in genocide, and conspiracy to commit genocide.

[...]

Furthermore, Nicaragua has warned that recent announcements by these governments regarding the suspension of funds to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) further demonstrate that in the current scenario, the Governments of the United Kingdom, Germany, the Netherlands and Canada continue to ignore their obligations and actively facilitate violations of the norms of International Law by Israel to the serious and immediate detriment of the Palestinian People, in particular the inhabitants of Gaza, and the International Community as a whole. In particular, Nicaragua has stressed that this act contributes to the collective punishment of the Palestinians and the apparent objective of forcing the Palestinian population to abandon the Occupied Palestinian Territories, particularly Gaza, and prevent the exercise of their Right to Self-Determination.

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stomachameleon · 06/02/2024 17:18

@HeidiInTheBigCity why not America I wonder?

EasterIssland · 06/02/2024 17:28

stomachameleon · 06/02/2024 17:18

@HeidiInTheBigCity why not America I wonder?

@stomachameleon I posted a Twitter reply last night , few comments above, that explaining it as another poster and I were wondering it. Unsure whether that’s true as I thought SA had reported them?

stomachameleon · 06/02/2024 17:33

@EasterIssland just saw it thanks. That
Makes sense.... for America.

anotherlevel · 06/02/2024 19:12

Breaking | Hamas: "We have just submitted our response regarding the agreement to our brothers in Qatar and Egypt, following the completion of consultations within the movement's leadership and with the resistance factions. We have dealt positively with the proposal to ensure a comprehensive ceasefire, end the aggression against our people, achieve relief, shelter, reconstruction, lift the blockade on the Gaza Strip, and accomplish a prisoner exchange deal."

x.com/QudsNen/status/1754933013064851953?s=20

AdamRyan · 06/02/2024 20:02

I don't think America is a signatory to the ICJ, might be wrong tho. I'm sure I read they were worried it would open them up to litigation from Native Americans

EasterIssland · 06/02/2024 20:34

This is what I meant by SA

ICJ: SA Genocide Case vs. ISR - part 2
HeidiInTheBigCity · 06/02/2024 20:46

AdamRyan · 06/02/2024 20:02

I don't think America is a signatory to the ICJ, might be wrong tho. I'm sure I read they were worried it would open them up to litigation from Native Americans

Yes, they are! Note that the just about no more (her last day was yesterday) ICJ president, Joan Donoghue, the woman who read the interim decision, was the sitting US judge!

The more likely explanation for "why not the USA" [which is not all of "America" - as other Americans, specifically Central and Southern Americans like to point out] is the aforementioned SA-led ongoing work.

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