ICJ: SA Genocide Case vs. ISR - part 2

[HeidiInTheBigCity]

1st thread is full - here comes part 2!

I've seen that the ICC is collecting evidence of war crimes and they have set up an online portal where people can send footage of evidence to them. The footage has to be from people on the ground. Perhaps if we come across more of these we can also send them evidence of war crimes.

Uganda denounces the judge who votes for Israel.

www.instagram.com/p/C2wEO-br8mJ/?igsh=MXdxdnNvdndhNjh3eA==

I just don’t buy that she went rogue and unilaterally voted against her country’s position. I think her government told her what to do (I believe Israel funds/arms their military) and now they’ve thrown her under the bus to be the fall guy. Not that I have any sympathy for her.

I'm not familiar with this - would ICJ judges not have more independence than that? I would have assumed they wouldn't be answerable to their governments but as I say I don't know much about it.

They should in theory be completely independent and to be fair maybe most are. I did see a study where they did a review of ICJ decisions over several years and found the overwhelming majority of times judges tended to vote in alignment with the political stance of their countries. Re the Ugandan judge it’s total speculation on my part regarding her being potentially influenced or compromised in some way. I just find it so odd that even the Israeli judge voted for one of provisional measures - against his own country, and she did opposed every single one. The idea she has such a different legal interpretation that is so diametrically opposed to all 15 others seems improbable (albeit possible).

I think one of the reasons people are so puzzled by her is that, in her dissenting opinion, she writes that this is essentially a political issue and should hence be handled politically, not via the court. Which is rather strange given that the court in question is, literally, a court in which only disputes between states are handled, a.k.a. "inherently political in nature" type cases.

What was that about smoothing the flow of aid and not making inflammatory statements?

Israeli ministers reportedly considering limiting aid entering Gaza

Ministers in Israel’s war cabinet are reportedly considering limiting the amount of aid reaching Gaza, as rightwing protesters disrupt the entry of trucks carrying desperately needed humanitarian supplies to the besieged Palestinian territory.

Benny Gantz, the centrist retired army general who joined an emergency wartime government formed by the prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, after 7 October, and Gadi Eisenkot, a former chief of staff of the Israeli army and war cabinet observer, have suggested temporarily limiting aid to weaken the Hamas, Israel’s Channel 12 reported late on Wednesday.

The two National Unity party politicians put the proposal forward in meetings this week, the station said, after receiving a report from Israel’s internal security service that estimated up to 66% of aid entering Gaza was being hijacked by Hamas. That figure cannot be independently verified, but reports of desperate people or armed men seizing aid deliveries have become common in the strip. The politicians reportedly said:

We can consider reducing the scope of supplies as part of the pressure to build a different mechanism in the Gaza Strip and as part of the efforts to free the hostages.No final decision has been made on the issue, Channel 12 said. Netanyahu’s office did not immediately respond to the Guardian’s request for comment.
Read the full story here.

So what happens when Israel report back to the ICJ in a month? Does anyone know the process?

What is Netanyahu going to do? Try to appear to have some semblance of respect for the ICJ measures by punishing these comments and potentially have his government collapse? Or plough ahead with his obvious genocide? Do you think he actually cares about Israel!

That figure cannot be independently verified, but reports of desperate people or armed men seizing aid deliveries have become common in the strip.

People who are being starved to death along with their families trying desperately to get food? Whatever next.

We can consider reducing the scope of supplies as part of the pressure to build a different mechanism in the Gaza Strip and as part of the efforts to free the hostages.

Hmm, it's almost like UNWRA being defunded played right along with their plans. Also when the hostages are released I await more comments about how cruel and inhumane it was that they didn't have adequate food or medicine, completely ignoring the fact that Israel have been actively blocking adequate supplies of food and medicine for the past 4 months and no one in Gaza has adequate food or medicine. Somehow though it is only inhumane when it is Israelis that are without.

Hoping for a full ceasefire on Saturday.

"Hague Shamgue" if Herzog's casual dismissal of Court's findings is anything to go by

Or as Netanyahu put it:

"Nobody will stop us – not The Hague, not the axis of evil and not anybody else. The hypocritical onslaught at The Hague against the state of the Jews that arose from the ashes of the Holocaust, at the behest of those who came to perpetrate another Holocaust against the Jews – is a moral low point in the history of nations"

Me too. Hoping it’s actually a ceasefire and not the 2 month pause that was previously touted.

Before Israel is due to report back to ICJ [in about 3 weeks time] the UN Security Council appointee who's name escapes me is due to report back to the UNSC in the next week or so - she was appointed after the ceasefire motion 'failed' in favour of improving humanitarian aid to those in need

It will be interesting to hear what she has to say

The UNSC appointee [above] is called Sigrid Kaag from the Netherlands

@Efacsen thanks for that info. It will be very interesting indeed! I wonder if The Hague will bother to address the criticism that has been thrown at them.

Well according to Al Jazeera News, Hamas have responded positively to receiving the proposed halt to the war but a final deal is weeks away.

But what is happening is that Palestinians are now fearing for their lives as Israel has promised a new onslaught on what was once a designated safe zone.

www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/2/2/israels-war-on-gaza-live-israel-downplays-settler-violence-in-west-bank

From Readers picks in the NY times on Tuesday
”This is a nation whose best defense against the charge of genocide is, at this point, "Though our leadership constantly discusses the removal and/or extinction of a people we routinely describe as subhuman criminals, nobody got a specific order to commit atrocities. Specifically."
Very well put

docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/e/2PACX-1vTbqPLjpzDpGdamN2LWL1a-lLCkgs0nDOmgBN3MT-U-3-t5D1gIgrc5KORsHfO9nEIuOBdCnD-5tDKX/pub?pli=1

From the article:

More than 800 officials in the United States, the United Kingdom and the European Union released a public letter of dissent on Friday against their governments’ support of Israel in its war in Gaza.
The letter is the first instance of officials in allied nations across the Atlantic coming together to openly criticize their governments over the war, say current and former officials who are organizing or supporting the effort.
The officials say that it is their duty as civil servants to help improve policy and to work in their nations’ interests, and that they are speaking up because they believe their governments need to change direction on the war. The signers say they have raised concerns through internal channels but have been ignored.
“Our governments’ current policies weaken their moral standing and undermine their ability to stand up for freedom, justice and human rights globally,” the letter says, according to a copy obtained Thursday by The New York Times. It adds that “there is a plausible risk that our governments’ policies are contributing to grave violations of international humanitarian law, war crimes and even ethnic cleansing or genocide.”

93 trucks

How sick in the head do you have to be to block aid from reaching starving children? Such moral depravity.

@inkworks273 would you stand by that statement if those people are families with missing family members?
That they haven't seen for over a hundred days?
They may be missing limbs that haven't been treated?
That are Beside themselves with grief and worry that their daughters are being raped?
Where promised meds that they never got?
That will try anything to be heard.

They aren't sick in the head. They are desperate.

Bring them home.

Every single person blocking these trucks are family members ? Or some are but not all? Blocking aid into Gaza wouldn’t it also meant blocking aid that might reach their family members?(this last comment is an assumption of mine but I guess part of the aid will be given to the hostages in form of food)

Also the reason why I posted that in this thread is because icj instructed to Israel to make sure aid managed to get through Gaza. The fact that mossads official account is posting that is an insult to icjs instructions

@stomachameleon Well if they are family members I don't know why they would be blocking off aid. The hostages will be in desperate need of the aid too...