ICJ: SA Genocide Case vs. ISR - part 2

[HeidiInTheBigCity]

1st thread is full - here comes part 2!

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Brilliant interview with Husam Zomlot on BBC. He had the interviewer squirming in his chair. Must watch.

@Desertrose2023 that's very interesting, if depressing.

Weeks/months ago I saw posters getting ridiculed and berated for suggesting that these politicians saying these things was problematic or even relevant. It's getting harder for pro Israelis to make that argument now, though some are clearly persisting despite all evidence!

Equally there are clearly issues within Palestinian society in terms of support for Hamas/terrorist action against Israel, as evidenced by UNRWA staff members allegedly being involved in the 7 October attacks, leading to suspention of funding to the organisation by the US and now Italy.

Does this mean that civilians on either side should be targeted? No, of course not. It's just a sad, difficult fact that a region with the history this one has will have some very angry and polarised views.

I’m not sure if this is the right thread to put this on, but it seems suspicious that funding for UNRWA is being pulled by many of Israel’s allies, around the same time as the ICJ have allowed the genocide case to progress, stated their concerns, and issued some immediate actions.
Also, I am absolutely fuming at the continued hypocrisy of Biden and his buddies. They will continue to arm a government and its army who are now on notice for genocide, while pulling funding for a humanitarian organisation that is helping the very people who are victims of this. So, they continue to be complicit in punishing the entire population of Gaza for the (alleged) actions of a few, while actually enabling corrupt politicians and war criminals in Israel.
The biggest threat to the West is this behaviour. And what do our Politicians have to say about all this? Anything??

Pulling UNWRA funding whilst paying for Israeli bombs that are killing thousands of children is absolutely disgusting. It's literally mind boggling.

I agree. The biggest threat to the west is the behaviour of the west!

Withholding funding to UNWRA at a time when -

ICJ have just mandated Israel to increase passage of humanitarian aid
and when
UNWRA have suspended and are investigating the members of staff allegedly involved

IIRC Qatar provided funding in advance of it falling due around xmas time so hopefully funds will still be available for the delivery of humanitarian aid/housing 100s of thousands of homeless displaced people.

Did this happen when equivalent UN staff recklessly introduced cholera [Haiti] and were sexually exploiting local girls/women [Africa] ? Genuinely can't remember but don't think funding was withheld

A useful thread listing the responses of western style and European governments.
https://twitter.com/MartinKonecny/status/1750951151099367876

Nice attempt to derail. Do you have anything to add to your attempts to poo poo the fact that Israeli politicians have found to have engaged in incitement to genoncide? I don’t understand why you can’t just say - that’s wrong and it’s right to have been addressed in such an unprecedented way by an international court. Maybe I’m missing something here.

Now that's what double standards look like!

12 staff of one UN agency are accused by Israel - which is, nota bene, not precisely a neutral party and has a proven track record of blatantly lying (remember Terrorist Thursday, to name but one example) - and various Western countries immediately suspend funding - despite its crucial role in mitigating what the very same leaders love euphemistically calling a "humanitarian catastophe".

On the other hand, the very same countries continue to finance and sell weaponry to a state that has been killing, starving and thirsting out, maiming and displacing civilians for months - and that will now have to answer a case against it for literal fucking genocide!

No wonder the entire Global South accuses us of hypocrisy and laughs in our faces when we cite our "Western values"!

@Moonwatcher1234 - yes, you're missing that genocide will always have its deniers, those turning a blind eye and those actively supporting.

You see, it's not really genocide, is it, when those perpetrating the genocide are one of us or 'just like us', and those on whom the genocide is being perpetrated are 'others' - you know, no one being innocent, ants to be crushed, human animals? And 'never again' meaning 'never again' for only some people and not others?

Incidentally, I have no idea why, under 'Similar Threads', this appears!

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I find it interesting that they were so quick to pull funding for UNRWA because of the alleged actions of a small minority but will still fund the IDF despite the fact that they are also investigating some of their members, like the person who shot a teenage boy in the West Bank the other day. Why do allegations on one side warrant the pulling of funding but allegations on the other don't?

Nice attempt to derail.

It wasn't an attempt to derail at all, it was a response to Desertrose2023's post at 04:58.

I'm fine with the ICJ scrutiny, in fact I think it's useful as this has been a war of disinformation as well.

It's a blatantly obvious attempt to change the narrative and take the heat away from yesterday's ruling. It's absolutely disgusting.

Yesterday people were asking why no-one who wasn't anti-Israel was contributing to the discussion, so I did.
It's clearly not been a welcome contribution though if my posts are considered "disgusting".

Do you think that things should be equal and funding for the IDF should also be suspended until the allegations are dealt with?

Okay

@Desertrose2023 's post was several hours earlier, on the previous page and you didn't tag her so it did look like random whataboutery on your part

I was asleep when she posted.

Do you think that things should be equal and funding for the IDF should also be suspended until the allegations are dealt with?

I don't personally think that the IDF is a terrorist organisation so no, I do not think their funding should be suspended.

Anyway I'll probably bow out now. I'm all for a robust exchange of views but I'm not a masochist and I do draw the line at being called disgusting.

Huh? Maybe all the more reason to tag her then

And as far as I could see there were only 1 or ?2 posters asking where your 'comrades' were yesterday - 'people' suggests more than that

Do you think UNWRA is a terrorist organisation?

My point is less than 1% of UNRWA workers have been accused of wrongdoings. Members of the IDF have also been accused if wrongdoings, the IDF themselves are investigating these allegations so they acknowledge that their members may have killed people in cold blood. Given the potential to cause harm that the IDF have(far, far more than UNRWA I would imagine)would it not be wise to cut their funding also until the bad apples are found? Why does a tiny % of bad apples in one org cause funding to be stopped but a tiny % in the other is ignored?

12 out of 30,000 UNWRA personnel are suspected of being involved in terrorist activities that's 0.04%

Statistically that is insignificant.