IDF admits 'extensive collateral damage' in Christmas Eve refugee camp strikes

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I first heard of this on Christmas Eve when someone shared an Instagram post on here I think. According to some posters we shouldn't believe Insta and the death figures will be unreliable coming from Gaza.
This was Israeli jets, presumably well trained professional pilots and they used the wrong type of munition? FFS

"Two strikes hit seven residential buildings in Maghazi, killing an estimated 86 Palestinians and injuring many more, the UN statement said. An unknown number of people were also believed to be trapped under the rubble."

All sound so familiar, in fact I've reached the point I don't believe the idiotic IDF and extremist Israeli Govt. More like it was just a giant FU from them. So brave using their air force to obliterate innocent people.

"Speaking to public broadcaster Kan news, an Israeli military official said: "The type of munition did not match the nature of the attack, causing extensive collateral damage that could have been avoided."
They said the incident was being investigated further.
Asked about the report, the IDF told the BBC that it "regrets the harm to uninvolved individuals, and is working to draw lessons from the incident".
The military said its jets had struck two targets adjacent to an area where Hamas operatives were located but that additional buildings were also hit during the strikes."

@Tescos2 I genuinely believe that the future will show us who the arseholes are

Are the UK/US up there? Without a doubt. Our government’s actions are shameful

Hamas? Of course

Netenyahu? Unequivocally

We all have a role to play in this

But I pray that no one looks back and says “I regret” or “if only I had “. And that’s not just a personal thing, it’s a collective thing.

i do sometimes ponder how history will remember the events of the present time, and how society will view them in the future, especially similar to how we view events of the past.

Part of it i think is society is focused on the issues of today that sometimes the bigger picture is missed of who the enemy's will be in the future based on actions in the present.

It’s a fascinating thought, isn’t it?

And the future won’t have to rely on official sources written by the victors. There is so much “out there” now that shows such ranges in views

Certainly challenges the view that, because certain people are in power, the entire population becomes complicit

I do wish historian's of the past had access to all the mediums available today for writing history's, so much more could be learned and studied etc,

As you say back then it was more the victors that ensured their versions of history vs todays wide ranges of sources.

This. I’d say delusional, Hamas will never be totally destroyed, it’s an ideology and the more unjustified killing of innocent civilians, the more the ideology intertwines with the survivors who have lost everything, young boys, 13 years old, losing their entire family, their home, their school, they have nothing left and they are scarred for life and they are angry, you would be too. They would do anything for Hamas, if it helped them get retribution and a sense of purpose back. For every bomb they drop, for every loved one killed, Hamas is growing, it’s gaining more members. Everybody should realise this, Israel will never be safe unless something drastic happens, I doubt I’ll see it in my lifetime sadly.

No it wouldn’t, Israel would take Gaza, expand the West Bank and carry on with the settler program and the horrendous violence to civilians. Where does that leave the Gazan people ?

Why is it being called a war when Israel is bombing and killing unarmed civilians and children???

@Christmasnutcracker because “war” is a nice, acceptable, generic term. It implies a certain level of equality between the fighting sides

Mass murder is far less palatable

Historical discourse written mostly by white middle or upper class men, in the west anyway

That was mostly because they had the time and the money to do so. However most lower classed men or women in general were not educated and were unable to read and write.

So much history missing or potentially missing due to the availability of the historian's of those time's.

Totally agree. I had a post deleted because I dared to suggest that history seems to repeat itself.
I also find the level of censorship on this forum scary.

That's all right then. It's a war. 21000 dead so far, a child killed every 10 minutes, people under rubble, hardly any food, water, no meds, diseases spreading and the list goes on. But it's a war.
Imagine if, instead of this happening to Palestinian civilians, it was inflicted on the Israeli civilians, would you still think it's war? Would you rile against it? Would you despair at the inhumanity of man?
This is about human beings like you and I.

Why don't you explain what you mean properly instead of resorting to a personal attack?

The IDF still cares more about the welfare of the average Gazan than Hamas does

Un-fucking-believable.

To those saying Israel must keep going until Hamas is destroyed - what do you think is going to happen next?? Will Israel then live happily ever after, with no further attacks or aggression?

The only thing this siege is achieving is breeding a new generation of severely traumatised and angry young Palestinians whose homes, families and communities have been destroyed by the IDF. Even if Hamas is “destroyed”, what will come next is likely to be many, many times worse.

I saw a video yesterday of a woman screaming as a family member had just been killed and she was so angry saying that they haven't killed a single member of Hamas. I'm not sure whether she meant in that particular strike or overall. She was angry that all the IDF are doing is killing innocent civilians.

My post lamenting that there are people here who want to keep the "war" going, despite the fact that the killing almost entirely consists of bombing civilians or places where civilians shelter and which has a death toll of 42% children was deleted presumably because of the language I used.

I think that people who want this to continue are wrong. Very wrong.

Hopefully that's acceptable.

So from this do you also believe that when there is another school shooting in the US they should just blow up the school?
Or if a bank robbery goes wrong and people are taken hostage they should just blow up the bank?
Apparently its the only way to be sure.

@FrippEnos they are not even comparable and show a shocking lack of knowledge about the region.
But you do you.

They are a disgrace, and were long before October too.

How does it show a lack of knowledge about the region?
I am just following the posts content to its logical conclusion.

Try this then, in the 70s and 80s when the IRA were bombing pubs, shopping centres, hotels in England, should our armed forces have carpet bombed Ireland?

South Africa has just invoked the Genocide Act in respect of the Israeli governments actions. Great for Humanity ❤

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I saw that, good move. Well they know all about apartheid and oppression.

My dh is South African, he grew up there during the apartheid years. He always says how come the world (rightly) called SA out on apartheid, but has kept very quiet about Israel and their apartheid?