IDF admits 'extensive collateral damage' in Christmas Eve refugee camp strikes

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I first heard of this on Christmas Eve when someone shared an Instagram post on here I think. According to some posters we shouldn't believe Insta and the death figures will be unreliable coming from Gaza.
This was Israeli jets, presumably well trained professional pilots and they used the wrong type of munition? FFS

"Two strikes hit seven residential buildings in Maghazi, killing an estimated 86 Palestinians and injuring many more, the UN statement said. An unknown number of people were also believed to be trapped under the rubble."

All sound so familiar, in fact I've reached the point I don't believe the idiotic IDF and extremist Israeli Govt. More like it was just a giant FU from them. So brave using their air force to obliterate innocent people.

"Speaking to public broadcaster Kan news, an Israeli military official said: "The type of munition did not match the nature of the attack, causing extensive collateral damage that could have been avoided."
They said the incident was being investigated further.
Asked about the report, the IDF told the BBC that it "regrets the harm to uninvolved individuals, and is working to draw lessons from the incident".
The military said its jets had struck two targets adjacent to an area where Hamas operatives were located but that additional buildings were also hit during the strikes."

Does that say 'Ceasfire please' to you?
He has been in Gaza for nine years.
Please don't pretend Hamas have any other agenda than the destruction of Israel by any means necessary.
They don't care if their civilians are the convenient 'collateral damage'
I don't understand after committing an atrocity, promising to do it again why you wouldn't believe them?
Or do you not mind?

I feel your frustration and horror that some lives are clearly worth less than others, and the way international law appears to be differentially applied.

I have seen Motaz on X and am always slightly anxious for him (along with all his followers) whenever there are pauses in his posting. He has done a lot to show the horror of what is happening in Gaza.

There is nothing collateral or accidental about the damage the IDF is doing. It's intended to maximise death and destruction to make Gaza uninhabitable.

The New York Times found the IDF routinely dropped 2000 pound bombs in areas designated safe for civilians. The US rather than stop the supply of munitions sent the IDF smaller bombs.

www.nytimes.com/2023/12/21/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-bomb-investigation.html

You would have thought that the experience of the IDF in using dumb bombs early in their bombardment would have given them sufficient lessons in their use and the expectation of collateral damage!

I suspect it did, they just used the information differently to the way people with any humanity would have.

And is this where the bombs that kill innocent people come from Gaza war puts US’s extensive weapons stockpile in Israel under scrutiny | Israel-Gaza war | The Guardian

Two good points from that article

"Brian Finucane, a former legal adviser at the state department, said Israel enjoyed many existing exceptions from procedural safeguards in its defence partnership with the US, and “any additional shortcut in fuelling conflict in the Middle East should be concerning”.
He said: “Do these arm transfers make sense strategically? Does pouring additional gasoline on the fire make sense in terms of US national interests or in achieving peace and stability in the region?”"

I have been looking at the ammunition that Israel has been using in Gaza and most say that the only comparison that can be made in recent times goes back to the bombing of Vietnam. That is how brutal the campaign has been
Whole residential buildings flattened with civilians inside.
At times up to a hundred killed in one go.
Even for those who support Israel's right to defend, I don't understand how they can support these strategies that are used where the collateral damage is at such a immense scale.
This does not look like self defence to me, it looks like revenge.

I can't believe how flippantly the IDF have just said that yes we used the wrong type of ammunition

They can’t be that idiotic. They must have done it on purpose.

While Hamas hides its murderers in and under schools, hospitals and refugee camps, and behind non-combatants, the IDF is entirely justified in attacking those places.
Israel must fight on until Hamas is totally destroyed. They will do what they can to minimise the number of non-combatants killed, but this is a war of national survival and some civilian deaths are inevitable.
The IDF still cares more about the welfare of the average Gazan than Hamas does.

I couldn't agree more.

"the IDF is entirely justified in attacking those places." what you are actually saying is the IDF is entirely justified in killing and maiming many thousands of civilians, including children and babies , in order to hopefully get at Hamas.

You can never justify Israel's actions as they are the reason Hamas exist in the first place. They created and funded Hamas.

Its frightening there's people out there who believe this.

The Time magazine has selected one of his photos as one of the top 10 taken this year. It is completely harrowing photo of a girl stuck under rubble after the IDF bombed a refugee camp.

x.com/azaizamotaz9/status/1740475728339030467?s=20

So in other words the IDF should carry on killing. Unbelievable.

Who here remembers the absolute heartbreak felt by so many Germans after WW2?

Those who had no power. Those who didn’t know about the death camps. Those who were marched into war simply because their rules were hungry for more. And for destruction. And for genocide.

The Israeli government are condemning their own people to a future of regret. When the dust settles and the bodies are recovered, Israelis will hang their heads in shame. But the shame is not for them to feel. That prize lies solely with the Israeli government.

*rulers

'Honestly they are impossible options.
The Middle East is not a place where the morality of the west does much good when difficult decisions have to be made.

If people think me not wanting my family and loved ones to die means I am happy that other families are dying then there is not a lot I can do about that'

It's hard to take some of these posts seriously. The IDF are killing more Israelis than Hamas rockets at the moment. If the IDF are not shooting hostages they're killing each other in "friendly fire".

If posters think living with the threat of a rocket hitting your home is awful (it is) then why don't the same people have any empathy for the civilians who are literally being bombed to pieces and have nowhere safe to escape to.

@ohfourfoxache shame on you...

But the shame is not for them to feel. That prize lies solely with the Israeli government.

Aided and abetted by the US, UK and other western governments.