Opinion piece in newspaper -RICHARD LITTLEJOHN: The only purpose of these endless marches is to intimidate British Jews.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-12878659/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-marches-intimidate-British-Jews-tolerate-hatred-streets.html

He raises some interesting ideas.

I agree. Marches are really important. If we ignore Israels actions we are setting a really dangerous precedent that leaves us all less safe. International laws are there for a reason. We have to make sure that Israel abide by them. Western powers not challenging obvious war crimes leaves us all open to war crimes. If governments won't call it out then the onus is on us to. When Russia declared war the world acted quickly and decisively, there was no question that what they were doing was wrong, they were isolated and sanctioned. The same needs to happen here or we are giving the green light to this happening again and next time who knows who it will be on the receiving end.

This absolutely. They’re an extremist menace. Creating massive, massive trauma to hundreds of thousands of people. Blatantly disregarding the ICC and the UN.
Even before Oct 7 they were supporting ever increasing numbers of violent settlers to throw people out of their homes.

Of course you can talk about antisemitism against any British Jews.
Anti semitism stinks.
Gratuitous charges of anti semitism to close down legitimate debate about a way forward are something different.
It's not that hard to spot the difference.

Of course you can talk about antisemitism against any British Jews

You can try. And then a horde of people will descend to talk about all the dreadful things Israel are doing in Gaza to try to drown out that discussion.

the problem is I think that some people/organisations pollute the issue and to my mind do the cause of objecting to anti semitism no good whatsoever. Seems to me they are actually enemies of peace/Jewish folk everywhere.
The merest bit of research/listening for example shows that the "Campaign against Antisemitism" is essentially a front with a clear political agenda. Shame on them.

Ah yes, the real problem here is the Jews.

And what are the humans being slaughtered supposed to do about that?

Israel is choosing to kill civilians. It doesn’t have to, it is choosing to.

They can’t control what Hamas does but they can control themselves.

They do not value human life.

It is like a parent saying ‘well if your mum does X I’ll stop hitting you. Look, your mum’s forcing me to hit you’. Pathetic.

Your “perceived antisemitism” can get in the bin.

Have you got any ideas as to how the people who want to go on marches without causing alarm or fear among British Jews should proceed?

Hint: you’d need to start by taking their concerns seriously.

Shut up talking about the concerns of British Jews, you mean?

i said no such thing.
You appear to have a very simple mono view of Jewish folk.
If I was Jewish (am not) I would profoundly object to that.

"Enemies of peace"? You sound like a Richard Burgon mouthpiece.

Their "agenda" is to support British Jews who have been victims of antisemitism and educate about antisemitism. They're an antiracism charity. But of course, for you it's a "political agenda" because....why exactly? As if I couldn't guess.

Honestly can't begin to tell you how depressing this shit is. "The merest bit of research" - we've been researching antisemitism all our lives, but here you are, telling us like it is.

More like you can try to talk about all the dreadful things Israel are doing in Gaza and then a horde of people will descend to talk about perceived antisemitism to try to drown out that discussion

It goes both ways. On a thread about Israel some pro Palestinian posters will start talking about Gaza and on a thread about Gaza some pro Israelis will start talking about Israel. Of course both sides think it’s perfectly fair enough when they’re the ones doing it..

this.

How comfortable do you think Russians have felt living abroad since the war in Ukraine? A Russian family we knew has left as they no longer feel comfortable, also they didn’t like that family were unable to come here to visit.

I haven't been into my city since this all started, due to the marches at weekends and the plethora of pro-Hamas stickers and graffiti everywhere.

i don’t think people living here felt intimidated by those marches . That is the issue.

@PurpleChrayne What does the pro-Hamas stickers and graffiti say?

But were people intimidated by those marches? I mean families? Children going to school etc ?

There were celebrations in London after October 7th. Why is anyone surprised that Jews feel intimidated? https://twitter.com/RachelRileyRR/status/1710730697797734429

Well, we were discussing British Jews feeling intimidated by people on marches and you said that the real problem was the Campaign against Antisemitism (Shame on them!)

And you're not Jewish.

So you're overruling Jewish people in saying that they have concerns about the marches and saying the real problem is a Jewish organisation.

It's not a great look.

@Walkaround

"@1dayatatime Do you have any links to show Netenyahu intends to do anything about the illegal settlement he has encouraged in the West Bank, or anything about negotiating a two state solution ever? If not, then I suggest that ceasing to flatten Gaza will do nothing to stop hostilities and Israel and Hamas will remain at “war” wherever Hamas is based. Terrorism will not cease to exist just because Israel shows it can behave despicably."

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So currently you have Hamas publicly committed to the destruction of Israel and Israel rejecting a two state solution.

I personally think that a two state solution and the removal of the West Bank settlements as the logical way forward but even if Israel agreed to a two state solution (which ironically the rejection of which is the one thing Israel and Hamas / Iran agree on) then Hamas (and Hezbollah and Iran) would continue to seek the destruction of Israel.

So sadly that leaves the only other outcome as "last man standing ".

Yes .. but as someone without Jewish/ Palestinian/Muslim connections I don’t know enough to contribute beyond the obvious moral ethical points ( October 7th was an unspeakable atrocity/ the endless bombing of Gaza is sickening) The only contribution I can make is that it is very important that all British people ( Jew and Muslim) should feel safe living here and if they do not feel safe we must speak up. Jews are in a minority ( numbers wise) and I do think the marches are causing real anxiety for them. ( Even without the generational trauma of the holocaust) It is alarming that some people won’t acknowledge that.

@Limeandsodaontherocks "Jews are in a minority ( numbers wise) and I do think the marches are causing real anxiety for them. ( Even without the generational trauma of the holocaust) It is alarming that some people won’t acknowledge that."

But why are the marches causing anxiety? The marches have literally nothing to do with Jewish people. They're about stopping the genocide of the Palestinians. Lots of Jewish people attend. They clearly don't feel unsafe/anxious.