To ask why the only countries that didn't vote for a ceasefire were USA and UK?

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All other countries in the UN voted for a ceasefire.

USA put their hand up and voted against a ceasefire.

UK abstained from voting.

Can anyone explain to me their reasoning for not voting for a ceasefire?

Your doubts show you don't understand the ICC. Rape and sexual assault as an instrument of war are war crimes. If you click on the link at the bottom of the original post you can read more about the ICC.

I don’t watch tik tok?! Why would Netenyahu’s government encourage settlement in the West Bank if it didn’t want to inflame tensions? Why would it ignore numerous warnings about an attack unless it wanted an excuse to attack back?

"Why would it ignore numerous warnings about an attack unless it wanted an excuse to attack back?"

Assuming we know with absolute certainty that they had 'numerous warnings',
I suppose because they get lots of intelligence and sift through it to decide what is credible. A bit like our own intelligence services having 'prior warning' of the 5/7 attack in London.

This is awful victim blaming. They suffered a heinous attack. The world sympathised and watched with horror for about five minutes before social media was spammed with :

They deserve it, they are oppressors.
They knew it was coming but didn't care.
They knew it was coming and welcomed as an excuse for war.
Why didn't they see the breaches?
Why did it take so long to respond?

Obviously there are sensible answers to all of those questions but the sheer volume of shouting from certain quarters drown it out.

Also the constant cries of antisemitism on mn dilutes the real abhorrent antisemitism going on day by day.

Small terrorist cell yes, but an army in disguise controlling the underground tunnels?
Hamas used the international humanitarian money to make sure they won't be easily rooted out. They use human shields by design.

However, yes, I would love if Israel was able to make a miracle and somehow filter Hamas out of Gazan population.

The weird thing is, the more people use the word antisemitic against those who want a ceasefire or for the Israeli government to stop commiting war crimes, the more people will not care about real antisemitic language being used. It dilutes the impact of the word. If people are just going to be called antisemitic over the slightest mention of being against the deaths of Palestinians, some people will just start saying a lot worse as they are going to accused of it anyway. It is just going to backfire on those that are calling out antisemitism when there isn't any. This doesn't help Israeli citizens at all and I feel sad about that.

"What I can’t understand is why it doesn’t seem possible to target and kill Hamas and only Hamas rather than wider air strikes which are killing civilians (if, for example, there were terrorist cells in NYC or London, the governments would easily root them out without bombing the areas)."

If there was a terrorise cell in the UK, they would be in hiding because the civilian population would denounce them.

Hamas are not just protected by the civilian population, they are the civilian population. In footage of the music festival, several Hamas terrorists were identified as policemen from older footage.

This is a really good explanation of where we are at with the Israel Palestinian conflict. I can't recommend this podcast enough. The guy who they talk to is a veteran of trying to support a two state solution.

Wow, "you people".
Yes we people have been marching in our millions around the world but has it made a blind bit of difference? No because when it comes down to it only the US has any power and it is happy to let Israel bomb every last man, woman and baby to kingdom come and you love it. You just don't care! Heartless.

@Isitsixoclockalready

That was a great podcast. I hope people watch it. We need calm voices now.

Hospitals and schools are fair game in any war from now on - all you need to say is that the enemy are using them as bases.
@Walkaround

Wasn't it always like that? Hospitals were safe as long as they were not used for military operations. When Hamas used them, they threw away the protection for their own hospitals and weakened the concept for everyone else.

Last two years Russia is targeting hospitals, schools and other civilian infrastructure in Ukraine without even pretending it was used for military, just to do the damage.

It is very disturbing to learn that what we considered to be rules of civilized war doesn't really apply in real world.

Well maybe it will be India or a combination of China turkey and Russia.

But for sure it wont be the USA and it's puppy dog UK.

So who will support Israel then?

This current power is short term.
The tide will turn and the middle east won't forget.

Your doubts show you don't understand the ICC.

When it comes to the bodies of women and especially Jewish women I do not trust them - which was the core point of my post - and which you failed to understand.

You sound quite keen on this outcome but maybe you’re not - hard to infer from a few posts. Whereabouts do you live?

It is also awful victim blaming to say Palestinians are fair game because they could somehow have rooted Hamas out of their tunnels themselves, when they haven’t even had any elections for years and the majority of the population are under the age of 25, so never voted for them in the first place. Netenyahu's government is an extremist government that has been inflaming tension since it gained power.

Where do you live out of interest

You do know this started 75 years ago and not on the 7 Oct right?

It might also be worth considering Netanyahu's role over the last 10 years and his extreme right wing policies. Anything to stay in power despite all the corruption charges against him.

The minute this is over he's out so will drag it on for as long as he can to win back favour with Israelis pushing the mantra that only he can keep them safe.

Just think if Israel had given back the Palestine hostages prisoners (which included children) maybe none of this would have happened. Keeping children locked up for throwing stones is completely unacceptable and if a country like Russia did this to Ukraine children there'd be uproar.

Also just because I don't agree with the stance Israel are taking it doesn't mean I agree with anti semitism. Israel don't define the Jewish community, there are thousands across the world and I don't think of Israel when I think of anything Jewish.

When I think of Israel I think of extremism and weapons. Little else.

I'm not keen on the current or future possibilities.

I hate war.

But humanity is not and will not be a priority for anyone. However what is likely is that different. Nations will hold the power.

Just think instead of saying Isreal needs to stop retaliating we said Hamas need to lay down their weapons, stop firing rockets into Israel from public areas and release the hostages and they both need to come to the negotiating table.

Both sides need to play their part. At the moment it's too one sided. Regardless of history and what happened when to who. We will never move on if we think like that.

@Thereissomelight it's a shame you Don't actually know many Israelis then.

"Just think if Israel had given back the Palestine hostages prisoners (which included children) maybe none of this would have happened. Keeping children locked up for throwing stones is completely unacceptable and if a country like Russia did this to Ukraine children there'd be uproar."

I'm afraid that I don't agree that none of this would have happened if Israel didn't take any Palestinian prisoners over the years. You only have to look at the stated aim of Hamas to know that there is nothing Israel could do, literally nothing, to stop Hamas from wanting to eradicate Israel.

I agree it's unacceptable to lock up children for throwing stones. Unless they're 17 and the stones are the size of small boulders and dropped from height onto your head.

What a foolish question.
Because both countries support Israel and do not want it to surrender to Hamas, which would be the outcome of a premature ceasefire, while the rest of the world is to a greater or lesser degree anti-Semitic and wants to see Hamas win, Israel destroyed and the genocide of the Jews Hamas has publicly announced is its intention be completed.
There will be no ceasefire until Hamas ceases to exist, and nor should there be.
More people will die, but so long as most of them are murdering, raping Hamas psychopaths, that's fine by me.

I agree with everything @BalletBob says. The only bit I'd re-phrase is: 'you aren't human' (tho I 'get' & fully agree with the context provided by the other half of that sentence).
But it's horrifying how quickly elements of both sides have tipped into a 'you aren't human' rhetoric (& ripples of that on SM all around the world). We are ALL human. Both 'sides' have the right to live in that land historically so it HAS to be shared. They - & we - are all human. There needs to be a ceasefire now. The US & UK were wrong to vote that way. The UN has been weakened. Until that is accepted then there is no chance of Reconciliation beginning.