Documenting Israeli army racism and torture thread 2

[Desertrose2023]

First thread almost full so starting another one to continue this discussion

This is so infuriating! Do you seriously believe that the baby has been "stolen to be raised in Israel"!? Your hatred is so explicit and obvious.
Perhaps, just perhaps, the baby was taken to an Israeli hospital for treatment?

In the original interview the person being interviewed said the soldier took the baby home and " he took care of her", there was no mention of a hospital.

The hospital has only been mentioned since the story has been made public. If the child was transferred for medical treatment out of necessity then her whereabouts would be known, they are not and that is very worrying.

No one is suggesting that a crying baby should be left unattended but that does not give soldiers the right to take children to Israel without making any attempt to establish whether the child has extended family.

To use this case to argue "the IDF just can't win" is beyond ridiculous.

The whereabouts of the child are unknown, "perhaps" is simply not good enough.

Benefit of the doubt is the biggest threat to safeguarding, there is no hatred here, just common sense.

@FOJN I understand hebrew and have listened to the interview. Nowhere does he say that he brought the baby home. He says he "brought the baby to Israel". You are all assuming he stole the baby to his house! This is hatred on your part.

I know this doesn't conform with your anti-Israel narrative but this baby was found alone in a house crying. The soldier brought the baby to an Israeli hospital for treatment. End of story.

I have only asked reasonable and legitimate questions. I have not expressed any hatred.

if the baby has been taken for treatment in an Israeli hospital, why has she not been named ? Why have her whereabouts not been confirmed? Why has the plan to reunite her with her blood extended family not been shared ?

these are simple questions in response to the statement that the baby has been taken to a hospital for treatment. A statement which differs from the information that came out of the original radio interview where no mention of a hospital or medical care. A statement made after the story went viral and there had been a public outcry. I am unclear why asking these basic questions in order to validate this statement would be infuriating to anyone, or why they are considered hateful.

Why would this baby have to go for treatment for Israel ? Isn’t there a process that Palestinian people have to apply for if they want to be treated in an Israel hospital?
also why this child? When there are that many in need in Gaza at the moment why would IDF have to take this child and not any other to a hospital?

And in the interview he says his friend took care of her.

You can't play finders keepers with a baby.

Why does no one know where the baby is? Do Israeli hospitals not keep records?

This is clearly not standard procedure and the person being interviewed spoke about his friend like he was a hero, again suggesting this was unusual. The IDF have shown no regard for civilians of any age, why was this a special case?

Accusations of hate have no meaning now. It's been used so frequently by people who simply want to silence criticism of anything the Israeli government or IDF does.

Also I would add that the Al Jazeera segment linked above makes reference to other cases where children have been forcibly separated from their parents by the IDF. This doesn’t appear to be an isolated event based on witness interviews.

the man interviewed at the end of the segment refers to an incident where his two children aged 4 and 6 months have been forcibly taken from him and their mother. Their mother fought the soldiers to stop them and they handcuffed her and took the children. He still does not know where they are. It is not an act of mercy to remove children without parental consent and not share their whereabouts.

Children from Gaza haven't been going to Israeli hospitals for treatment since 7/10

After airstrikes there are people around searching the rubble for survivors [like this baby] and often paramedics and ambulances too

If the soldier didn't feel they could approach anyone with the baby they could have put it in a prominent place where it would be found easily because it was crying

And as said before 7-10 there were rules for accessing treatment outside of Gaza
https://www.savethechildren.org.uk/news/media-centre/press-releases/two-children-a-day-unable-to-access-medical-treatment

Perhaps the soldier though that taking the baby into Israel for treatment would give it the highest chance of survival? Even if this was the case there would due process and it does raise concerns that nobody knows who the baby is? Who were the parents? Where the baby is now and under whose supervision as that soldier has now passed away?
It is highly unusual as all other ill babies that have been evacuated for treatment out of Gaza has been done via Egypt with everything documented and this case has only come to light as the friend mentioned it in a interview.

I think it would be unfair to dismiss these questions. Now that the Palestinian Authority have asked then hopefully there will be some clarification

There are also other babies who have said to have gone missing after being detained by the IDF. Naturally questions will arise after this revelation if they have also been taken into Israel or where they even are?

As said previously it's the first such scenario that has come to light since the war has started and I hope the soldier who narrated the story was very sure about what actually happened

Is this their attempt of boosting morale in Israel? Because it really isn't funny and very offensive.

www.instagram.com/reel/C1ms8zTIP2F/?igsh=YzZzeGF4YzMycmNs

God, they're pathetic.

This is what happens when people that aren’t ready for the army and their mentality is more to become a tik tok influencer are forced to go to war.

It's not just offensive but it makes them look very unprofessional. I cringe for them when I see this shit.

You can't project the image of a serious, well trained and disciplined army when you are behaving like naughty teenage boys who think they are being edgy.

Here's a report of another 2 missing children who the IDF removed from their parents:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C1k3k4wPvzD/?igsh=a2tobHh3Mzhicjdx

@Toothyfruity It is strange about the children. I don't know why they would take them, unless for adoption perhaps.

Your just making things up now....

@stomachamaleon Well, I don't know. Wouldn't it be more normal to give the baby to an aid agency in Gaza if no family survived? I would think removing children to Israel suggests they will stay there. What would be the point of treating them and then returning them to a war zone?

@stormy4319trevor point is though you don't know that none of that it true. That in desperate circumstances he did a good thing, the baby has had well deserved treatment (it wasn't just plonked somewhere in the hope of being found as someone suggested) and their parents won't be found.

You are normally a logical well reasoned person. Let's not jump to wild accusations that have no evidence in them. I will do some digging and see what I can find out Israel side. It is a war zone so it may have been difficult just to leave the baby. Remember the outrage with the babies in Hospital? This may not be the sinister picture it's being painted.

@stomachamaleon honestly after some of the things we've seen so far nothing would surprise me any more.

OK @stomachamaleon I expect the soldier was trying to help, but I also think it's strange he was allowed to leave Gaza with a baby, and also wonder where it is now and what the plan is.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/program/newsfeed/2024/1/2/israeli-soldier-brought-baby-back-to-israel-from-gaza

The problem is, it isn't an isolated incident. And the parents of other kids had theirs taken too. So I highly doubt he took the child to a hospital. Its possible, but doubtful.