Documenting Israeli army racism and torture thread 2

[Desertrose2023]

First thread almost full so starting another one to continue this discussion

Exactly. Imagine if someone were to try and add “context” in response to footage of Israeli children being abused on October 7th. They would be accused of minimizing atrocities and supporting terrorism.
the double standard beggars belief.

Exactly. Imagine if someone were to try and add “context” in response to footage of Israeli children being abused on October 7th.

Are you really comparing the images of the children stripped to their underwear, as unpleasant as they are, with children murdered and mutilated?
Wow.

@Desertrose2023 and don't forget antisemitic

Ah yes. Don't like the fact the Israeli government is slaughtering children in their thousands? You must be antisemitic. No other possible explanation for it.

None should have happened and you know it.

I am not comparing anything. I am talking about the principle of seeking to justify any behavior which is clearly reprehensible and should just be condemned outright. You did not even condemn the images before adding your “context”.

and I am not here to get into tit for tat atrocity comparisons. If I were, it wouldn’t be a conversation that would go well for any supporter of the IDF.

A poster suggests you are minimising something that happened to Palestinian children and you say you are just adding "context".

You are then asked how you would feel about someone adding context to the crimes committed against children on 7th October and you respond as if the question was a comparison.

There is nothing good faith about your argument here. You post regularly enough for me to know you are not stupid so I can only assume you are being manipulative to make another poster look bad.

The point, as you know, was minimising and describing it as context.

I can only assume you are being manipulative to make another poster look bad.

Did you see what that other poster said about me? I've refrained from making similar personal attacks at least.

People are jumping all over my use of the word context but what I mean by that is occassionally providing an alternative reason for why Isreal or the IDF might be taking a particular action, that isn't just that they're evil or want to kill all Palestinians. That's it, that's all I'm doing. It's not bad-faith but it is quite honestly almost impossible to have any sort of disccusion on some of these threads for that reason - the assumption that everything Israel does is for the very worst motive possible.

hello all, getting back to the thread purpose: article from Middle Eastern Eye, 2019

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/shoot-maim-how-israel-created-generation-crutches-gaza

" 'Shoot to maim': How Israel created a generation on crutches in Gaza"

"Doctors tell MEE that Palestinian protesters' crippling injuries, especially to lower limbs, were inflicted deliberately"

Shocking but not remotely surprising.

It wasn't a personal attack. It looks like you were asked a question about why you were attempting to defend the indefensible.

It's not bad-faith but it is quite honestly almost impossible to have any sort of disccusion on some of these threads for that reason - the assumption that everything Israel does is for the very worst motive possible.

You will find it difficult if you insist on assuming the worst of every poster who doesn't agree with you. And manipulation is bad faith.

I cannot see a good motive for the IDF's actions here. Someone is filming their treatment of prisoners again and releasing it to the media, that is against article 4 the Geneva Convention. They have been warned about this before.

Filming carried out by an Israeli photo journalist, that's a dangerous job in Gaza.

I wonder why Israeli journalists are allowed and international news agencies aren't.

The way the IDF have conducted themselves now and in the past, many including myself see them very negatively. Appalling tik toks, videos of ordinary civilians strip searched; add this to the track record they already have prior to October 7 and it is not positive.
I doubt they have any justification to do what they are doing other then control, humiliation and intimidation.

The Israeli government appears to be using methods that wouldn't have looked out of place in a certain European country, not so long ago. Their actions are evil.

And there it is. I'm out. I'll leave you guys to your echo chamber.

yes shame on us for being way too harsh and not balanced enough folks. let’s all give the IDF the benefit of the doubt shall we? Perhaps they are taking these men - plus two women and one child - to a surprise birthday party. That’s why they’re blindfolded so as not to ruin the surprise! It’s probably a foam party too hence the lack of clothes.

I think it’s only natural to compare one genocide to another. All genocides are evil.

One of the deadliest attacks since the start of the war

www.instagram.com/reel/C1RxtIHNPSy/?igsh=bHJyaTV6czk3Nncy

This is neither racism nor torture but pretty much another WTF situation

Israel hands over bodies of 80 Palestinians killed in Gaza - report

Israel has returned the bodies of 80 Palestinians killed in Gaza after taking them from morgues and graves to check there were no hostages among them, AFP reported, citing sources in Gaza’s health ministry.

The bodies, which had been transported to Israel, were returned through the Red Cross to Hamas authorities who buried them in a mass grave in Gaza, it said. Their identities are not immediately known.

An AFP photographer saw a digger lowering the blue body bags into a mass grave in Rafah. No families of the dead were present, Al Jazeera reported.

A view of a mass funeral at Tel al-Sultan Cemetery held after receiving bodies of 80 Palestinian victims from Israeli forces through the Karm Abu Salem border crossing in Rafah, Gaza. Photograph: Anadolu/Getty Images

Oh the irony

Oh so they do know the rules then? But for some reason they think they don't apply to them.

@Efacsen I couldn't believe it. Sky news added this which brings to question what conditions were the bodies even being kept in?

Medical workers who entered the truck quickly left after opening some of the bodybags, having found the odours unbearable.
"Some of the remains and bodies have decomposed, so we cannot open this container in a neighborhood where people live," Dr Marwan al-Hams, health emergency committee director in Rafah told The Associated Press (AP), fearing that illnesses could be spread among residents.

I’ve posted this in another thread but posting it here as well as there’s more traffic.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C1OiuE8scMJ/?igsh=MTZtMG4ybWFsZnZrcg==

I wasn’t sure which thread to post this on but the link is to a charity‘s instagram page which helps support children injured in wars. It’s a great charity organisation called INARA. It’s currently trying to fundraise $30,000 for a little boy called Ahmad who lost his parents, his brother and both of his legs in one of the IDF bombings. He’s with his uncle in Egypt which is one blessing at least but I imagine that he has a very long and difficult path ahead of him. Linking in case there are any posters (on either side!) who would like to donate to his ongoing recovery.

ETA: the pictures in the post show distressing images of Ahmed injured in a hospital bed in Gaza.

The Guardian reports it as 'a Greek Orthodox church in Iqrit, referring to an abandoned Palestinian Christian village whose inhabitants were forced to leave during the 1948 war and creation of Israel, AFP reported.' I wonder if anyone was even using the church, if the Christian inhabitants have left the village,