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Conflict in the Middle East

Documenting Israeli army racism and torture thread 2

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Desertrose2023 · 05/12/2023 04:24

First thread almost full so starting another one to continue this discussion

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jammysocks · 15/12/2023 13:37

I meant to add to my above comment. He lost his wife, son and daughter and grandchild amongst 14 members in a targeted attack. I believe he has one son or 2 alive who are also journalists. However this is based on journalist instagram names and I can't confirm

Molymoly · 15/12/2023 14:28

@jammysocks I was just about to post about Wael Dahdouh. Al Jazeera cameraman, Samer Abu Daqa, who was with Wael, has been injured as well, but paramedics can't reach him due to Israeli shelling.

I don't understand why journalists all over are not speaking out about what's happening to Palestinian journalists.

jammysocks · 15/12/2023 14:42

@Molymoly I agree! Health care professionals, although not all, have spoken out. But I guess the journalists here don't want to lose their jobs!

Auvergne63 · 15/12/2023 15:35

XRAYTHIS · 15/12/2023 12:14

I was addressing a point made on carpet bombing earlier and how the death rate due to maths meant it would be 250,000 deaths.

Also a point made regarding genocide as in wiping out Palestinian people as per genocide aim of Israeli army which also many claim.

However, realise my comments or logic are not welcome so will leave the thread.

Have a great day.

Firstly, this is not an airport therefore you don't need to announce your departure.
Secondly, I find it disgusting that, for you, 18,000 thousands dead (so far) is just a number. Every one of these was a human being who mattered. They deserve respect.

Molymoly · 15/12/2023 16:25

Why do certain posters when genocide is mentioned say if the Israelis wanted to commit genocide they would have carpet bombed Gaza so it's not genocide.

Are what they doing now is not bad enough?

flowerssss · 15/12/2023 17:14

Molymoly · 15/12/2023 14:28

@jammysocks I was just about to post about Wael Dahdouh. Al Jazeera cameraman, Samer Abu Daqa, who was with Wael, has been injured as well, but paramedics can't reach him due to Israeli shelling.

I don't understand why journalists all over are not speaking out about what's happening to Palestinian journalists.

Here Wael El Dahdouh is interviewed by another journalist, Bisan, and was asked what the hardest moments are.

www.instagram.com/reel/C0yTGvONXKZ/?igshid=ZWQ3ODFjY2VlOQ==

braticus · 15/12/2023 17:47

x.com/mufastamo/status/1733583825106547104?s=46

"The ‘Zananeh’ is a plane designed simply to traumatize Palestinians. Non stop buzzing, 24/7 in Gaza’s skies"

WTF! Just watched this video that says Israel flies planes over Gaza 24/7 for no other reason than to psychologically torture the Palestinians??? Imagine hearing this buzzing noise pretty much 24/7. Just evil.

mostblobs · 15/12/2023 18:58

braticus · 15/12/2023 17:47

x.com/mufastamo/status/1733583825106547104?s=46

"The ‘Zananeh’ is a plane designed simply to traumatize Palestinians. Non stop buzzing, 24/7 in Gaza’s skies"

WTF! Just watched this video that says Israel flies planes over Gaza 24/7 for no other reason than to psychologically torture the Palestinians??? Imagine hearing this buzzing noise pretty much 24/7. Just evil.

So mean. A form of torture.

jammysocks · 15/12/2023 19:26

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C04kUMrqkv7/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Al jazeera camera man Samer Abu Daqqa has dies from.wounds at the Khan younis school air strike.

IDF refused to let it medical aid for hours.

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C04kUMrqkv7?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA%3D%3D

jammysocks · 15/12/2023 19:29

Follow up to previous link

Documenting Israeli army racism and torture thread 2
ScrollingLeaves · 15/12/2023 19:38

mindthespace · 15/12/2023 12:45

Sadly I do think he represents the majority of the Netanyahu govt. These are the very foundations he has built and helped him stay in power for so long,

Here is the response of a good Rabi, though judging from responses most people disagree with him. It is interesting to see in some responses how the vengeful aggressive examples from the Old Testament are held up as examples of what licence the IDF can take.

This is from mobile.srugim.co.il translated by Google from Hebrew to English:
ak Yosef Rabbi Yitzhak Yosef on the documentation of the soldiers: "You should not behave like this"Guy Ezra14.12.23 | 18:52 | 31 responsesThe Chief Rabbi of Israel, Rabbi Yitzhak Yosef, sent a letter to the Chief Military Rabbi, Rabbi Eyal Karim, in which he explained to him how the soldiers should behave in mosques and in the homes of PalestiniansA few hours after the documentation in which IDF fighters are seen playing 'Shema Israel' Over the loudspeakers at the Begnin mosque, Israel's chief rabbi, Rabbi Yitzhak Yosef, sent a letter to the chief military rabbi, Rabbi Eyal Karim, in which he clarified to him how they should behave in mosques and in the homes of Palestinians.In his letter, Rabbi Yosef wrote, among other things: "There is a very small minority of them on the outskirts of the camp who practice a custom of humiliation in their prayer houses or taunt the local residents through the amplification systems that are in the mosques." Or they practice a custom of looting and vandalizing unnecessarily, in the homes or property of residents

Rabbi Yosef added that "Here, it is clear that anything that is not a matter of the need for combat should not be provoked, looted or corrupted without the need for combat, especially when it comes to religious matters. And it must be explained to those soldiers that the religious feelings of members of other religions should not be harmed for any number of reasons that I will be satisfied with."The nation of Israel is a virtuous nation and does not act like the actions of those murderers who massacred, showed no mercy, looted, corrupted and profaned everything that is holy and dear to us. Therefore, we must exercise caution and avoid actions that are not useful for fighting and cause damage to the people of Israel and its image in the world."At the end of his letter, the chief rabbi blessed the fighters: "And I hereby strengthen and bless all the soldiers of the IDF, wherever they may be given by God. Our God, our enemies who rose up against us, smote them before them, and He will deliver them from all trouble and distress, and they will return to their homes and families in peace, and He will crown them with a crown of salvation and a crown of victory, and the scripture will be fulfilled in them (Deuteronomy 20:4) that the Your God will go with you to fight for you with your enemy to save you the Most High. And the warning and the careful will increase their peace like the water of a river"
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Responses23 responsessomeoneStop beautifying yourself, join the army and you will have the right to speak.Let them do whatever they want, I have not heard the Muslims condemning shooting at hospitals, gardens, etc...So stop confusing everyone's minds and shut uprummyThose who pity or consider the cruel will end up...Stop beautifying yourself!full nameWhy don't you upload the whole letter?giftI think exactly the opposite of the hon. We should praise the name of heaven everywhere, especially in a place that raises the spirits of our soldiersFormsInstead of all the fuss, I suggest that Shmuel Eliyahu bring this issue up to the Chief Rabbinate Council when it meets. There the greats of the generation will receive a decisionwater lilyOK, Ichtopel was also great in the Torah and even more... What do you have to say about King David's wars, Honorable Rabbi? It is also not suitable for a virtuous people? Or about Shmuel or Elijah the prophet.. They did much more to our enemies than Shema Yisrael... Should we shun them perhaps? disgusting. The Zionist entity swallowed him up.June.I didn't understand what the problem wasTotal" said a sentence. In the end they also worship the same god.JewishI think that one of the reasons that this is the rabbi's opinion is that there are Jewish communities all over the world and when synagogues around the world are burned down, their claim will be that we were also harmed, and in my humble opinion this is a claim that makes senseMessiah will di...When there is finally a normal rabbi, then all the garbage on this site... the delusional ones of all kinds, the Messianists, the builders of the temple and other crazy people... curse him...StupidIt's better if he shuts up" This rabbi ". Is that what matters to him right now?RonaThe rabbi is right. It does not respect the army of V and our Judaism.Zuri ZurielNot to forget what the enemy did to usWhat did he do to the babiesWhat did rapeWhat did they put a baby in the microwave in front of Aviv and his mother and cook the babyWorse than the holocaustAnd more and more I won't be able to write poArielForgiving out of respect for the rabbi, the rabbi did not cite a single source for his words. What is the Rabbi's source? The entire Bible states exactly the opposite, from Joshua's wars in Midian to David's wars - each time a nation plundered its enemies, humiliated them, and took its revenge.In the matter of 'respect for religion' - Since when is this something that is considered in times of war? After all, we command to destroy all the pagan gods around! When we hurt their religion, we actually hurt their spirit, and that's how we win.And regarding humiliating the enemies, on the contrary: the more we hurt our enemies and humiliate them - they do not raise their heads (that is why the people are taken as slaves). And especially the Arabs - Ishmaelites, who understand only the power of ``he will be a wild man, his hand in everything and his hand in everything''In forgiveness from the honor of the rabbi, we are dust at his feet, there is a big mistake in the rabbi's words: if the image of the people in the eyes of the Gentiles is more important than maintaining our Jewish identity in keeping the Torah His commandments, then we must be very concerned that the culture of Greece/Christianity has penetrated deeply into the rabbinical world as well, to our dismay, since the rabbi must rule according to the opinion of the Torah and not according to external pressures, whether from within the people or outside of it.God forbid we compare the deeds of Amalek with the wars of Israel! Amalek fought to prevent the name of the ' In the world by us, and we - the other way around. Therefore there is no holiness in their places at all.Rabbi, we must realize: all Gentiles are impure! "a people holy to her' Elkich" There is only one. The Holy One works only in us. We do not have any attitude of 'sanctity' For everything related to the heathen gods! and in particular to the Amalekites.And not for nothing, I call them Amalek, since Amalek mixed with the sons of Ishmael, according to R' Yossi Bafder"a(m"d):"R' Yossi says, when Sennacherib came to the land, all the nations around the Land of Israel saw Sennacherib's camp and saw each other very much, and everyone fled from his place. and prisoner of the borders of nations, etc. And Amalek entered the desert and they intervened with the sons of Ishmael and all of them were ten nations that The inhabitants of Edom and the Ishmaelites of Moab and the settlers of Gebal and Ammon and Amalek Philistia with the inhabitants of Tire also Assyria was associated with them were a seed to the sons of Lot Selah and all of them will fall into the hands of the Son of David like a flame of fire that My God, let them be like a wheel and like straw before the wind, like a fire that will burn a forest and a flame that will set the mountains on fire, so you will pursue them in your midst, etc.: "And regardless, their cruel actions at Simchat Torah are enough to show this.Let no rabbi and great Torah be influenced by any factor other than Torah considerations. And may God give advice to the soldiers of the IDF to act correctly, and they will all return to their homes in peace, in the conquest of all the Land of Israel and revenge on our enemies, and in this way our virtue will appear in the whole world, and the Gentiles will go along.MeirAnd it is forbidden to upset the Fritz.AlmondIf the rabbi would give references it would be possible to discuss. What do you mean there is no room to extend? date! All the arguments belong to the time when the people of Israel lived in exile among the nations, then peace reigned, etc. This is the consideration. Is it forbidden to corrupt? Except for a ban on fruit trees I don't know. No looting?! Has the Rabbi forgotten specific verses from the Tanach? And what about the war in Madin? And what about David's wars? And what about Israel's wars in the occupation of the land? Or does he think it's just irrelevant as well? In short, there is no place for a rabbi who thinks like this to be chief rabbi in the State of Israel.EmtiaIs it forbidden to hurt religious feelings? But in the Torah it is written, "and their tombstones you shall break and the statues of their gods you shall burn with fire". little But it seems to me that exile has made us a bit waryYankeeWhat's the problem with that? Just translate into Hebrewgoes up the mountainA smart student without a good wasted mind right now.rightDon't do that in the garden. Do that on the Temple Mount.MethuselahTo the rabbi of the police, when the police allowed the haters to disturb the prayer of many in Tel Aviv on Yom Kippur?EstherHow much I enjoy watching this video and hearing Shema Israel in GeninYoavAfter starting with the main rabbi. We are in salvation, not with the Fritz from Paris or the mufti in Moroc

jammysocks · 15/12/2023 19:39

Israeli military says it mistakenly killed three hostages held in Gaza

f7td5.app.goo.gl/KYdF8i

ScrollingLeaves · 15/12/2023 19:43

I am sorry the responses to the article about the chief Rabbi’s reprimand to the IDF soldiers who did the Israeli prayer in the mosque all got fused
together and are virtually unreadable. I don’t know how that can be corrected.

ScrollingLeaves · 15/12/2023 19:52

mostblobs · 15/12/2023 17:50

"Israeli soldiers assault Palestinian journalist Mustafa Haruf in occupied al-Quds."

https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/18izlkw/israeli_soldiers_assault_palestinian_journalist/

Disturbing video footage available at post above.

Different video:

Edited

Look at that one really getting the boot in when he is already down. What a coward and bully. Horrifying.

The soldiers in black look like Darth Vader.

mostblobs · 15/12/2023 20:00

jammysocks · 15/12/2023 19:39

Israeli military says it mistakenly killed three hostages held in Gaza

f7td5.app.goo.gl/KYdF8i

So sad and unnecessary. :(

flowerssss · 15/12/2023 20:14

mostblobs · 15/12/2023 17:50

"Israeli soldiers assault Palestinian journalist Mustafa Haruf in occupied al-Quds."

https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/18izlkw/israeli_soldiers_assault_palestinian_journalist/

Disturbing video footage available at post above.

Different video:

Edited

I've just seen the video on Instagram. That's awful. Where are their morals that they're so proud of?

braticus · 15/12/2023 21:11

jammysocks · 15/12/2023 19:26

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C04kUMrqkv7/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Al jazeera camera man Samer Abu Daqqa has dies from.wounds at the Khan younis school air strike.

IDF refused to let it medical aid for hours.

Edited

Apparently he lay bleeding for 5 hours before they were able to get to him. Pronounced dead at the hospital. Sickening.

jammysocks · 15/12/2023 21:11

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C02Bdw2u4dF/?igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==

Soldiers occupying a Palestinian house on the west bank in jenin. Counting down bombs while eating and drinking

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C02Bdw2u4dF?igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng%3D%3D

flowerssss · 15/12/2023 21:56

Thought I'd share this beautiful moment a mother was reunited with her children after visiting family in Gaza just before the war started.

www.instagram.com/reel/C0z8OerodFA/?igshid=ZWQ3ODFjY2VlOQ==

jammysocks · 15/12/2023 22:17

@flowerssss oh my gosh. Ice watched that so many times and I cried every time

ScrollingLeaves · 15/12/2023 23:52

flowerssss · 15/12/2023 21:56

Thought I'd share this beautiful moment a mother was reunited with her children after visiting family in Gaza just before the war started.

www.instagram.com/reel/C0z8OerodFA/?igshid=ZWQ3ODFjY2VlOQ==

How happy and lovely flowersss

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