Do lots of people support Hamas?

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I just read this story and it is absolutely horrific

I saw ten Hamas terrorists beat and gang-rape an Israeli woman

https://mol.im/a/12820081

Is everyone on the pro-Palestine marches in London solely supporting the innocent civilians of Palestine (as I do too)? Or are there some people on these marches supporting the actions of Hamas as well?

I want to join the marches in support of innocent adults and kids in Gaza (and I would want to march for the same reasons on any pro Israel marches too), but I do not want to endorse Hamas in any shape or form. They are absolutely vile.

In defense of so-called reality: my Palestinian ex-husband once did go totally berserk on someone ...

... he is proud of it to this day, and - being the non-violence advocate that I am I tell him that his heart was in the right place but his actions were not to this day ...

The occasion was: I had had an incomplete miscarriage and had gone for a D&C at a Marie Stopes. As we were leaving, me being still wobbly on my feet, some religious protester yelled "baby killer" in my face. XH lost his shit and decked the guy!

He shouldn't have done this. It goes against everything I believe in and stand for. Also, I cannot help but still love him for how much he stood up for me and defended me when I was at my mental and physical weakest. I know it wasn't right - but, oh boy! Did I ever secretly love that man at that moment! And, oh, do I still - regardless of why we are now divorced!

Nothing to do with the conflict at all - but it was what made my Palestinian ex lose his shit and turn violent.

I just hate that fucking stereotype of "they are inherently barbaric and violent". It just is not even remotely true!

The only man who ever asked if it was okay before he kissed me (not the same guy I ended up marrying), was Palestinian, too!

I just hate the de-humanisation of Palestinians, in general, and Palestinian men, in particular. Because it is not justified!

The need to understand that Palistitinians and Jews are NOT Hamas or Zionists.

Hamas is a terrorist group linked to ISAS and Iran.

The Zionist government of Israel are not the Jewish people, even though the government are Jews they are of extremism. The Zionist government is far more complex. However, they are fundamentalist extremists

The Palestinians and Jews just want to live in peace as a 2 state peaceful nation.

I literally just said that the marches are to support a ceasefire and you are accusing me of supporting Hamas.

... So if I think thousands of innocent children shouldn't be killed I am a Hamas supporter?

I think you need to have a real think about why you believe what you believe. Can you not see that Israel is wiping out Palestinian civilians?

Israel can say what it likes. The proof is in the pudding.

Apparently some universities are lead by people that probably support Hamas or at least the threats of violence towards Jews. They don't even stick to their own anti bullying policy if the students getting bullied are Jewish and then act smug when called out on this fact

https://twitter.com/HenMazzig/status/1732180539518374356

I want to know if this is true too

Anyone here know?

She was truly excellent as a female Shylock in the latest version of the Merchant of Venice but as for competency in reading Twitter runes god only knows.Its a very nasty play though whilst Shakespeare humanises the Jewish characters in a way that only he can do he plays the jew baiting for laughs and has the Christians seeing them off in the end in what is shocking ant semitic. Tbh I do wonder why we can still have it in the repertoire.

A red triangle could mean a lot of things, so maybe best to ask people using it what their intention is...

Examples of possible meanings could include:

'Emergency!" - red triangles have often been used to draw attention to an emergency or hazard - eg a humanitarian crisis.

Political prisoner or silenced - historically, red triangles like that were used by Nazis to identify political prisoners and communists (I think) in concentration camps - some people have adopted it as a way of expressing that they feel disillusioned with their government or unable to speak freely.

Peace - some cultures use it as a symbol for peace.

Solidarity with women - it can be used to represent or celebrate femininity or standing with women.

Support for the people of Palestine - the Palestinian flag includes a red triangle.

But yes, one potential meaning may be expressing support for the events of October 7th. Propaganda including released video footage of the attacks included the use of downwards pointing red triangles to mark the positions of targets/victims. It's a symbol that has been used in online propaganda - cashing in on its other associations, wider use in emergency appeals, and potential to de-humanise (video games may use similar symbols for target acquisition - using it may be an effort to encourage particularly young men to see violence as more of a game and less something to stand against).

If I see someone carrying this symbol, I would ask them what they mean by it. Unless it's clearly in the 'Emergency Appeal' context, I'd explain that they may want to find alternative symbols to express their meaning. I wouldn't assume everyone with one in their social media profile was pro-terrorism, though, especially when it's a symbol with such a range of potential meanings.

The easiest way to find out what someone means by something is to ask them.

All the students study it in year 7 at my secondary school. That along side history doing the holocaust and RS doing Judaism all in the same term. The play is used to show teach about antisemitism. I think so long as people are taught correctly about the play it is a good example of sentiment about Jewish people in the time Shakespeare wrote it

Plus if we cancelled everything bias or prejudice there would be very little left. Human beings are often vile whilst being creative it seems

All true but I can't see people saying 'Oh yes the red triangle, I support Hamas'. However you never know I suppose, stranger things have happened

There was a rumour that pampas grass in your front garden was indicative that you were swingers. It was nonsense of course but once the falsehood gained traction then no doubt some swingers may have planted it thus adding some veracity to the claim.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2017/may/31/pampas-grass-secret-symbol-swingers-turn-off-sales-plummeting

Hardly the same thing. The red triangle is a genuine question because it must mean something if people have used it in their profiles/tags. Therefore asking what it means to people with Free Palestine in their profile/tag as others have said it means they support Hamas is a genuine ask and not a myth

@Trulywonderful it's not just what people say, it's what they don't say and how they act; that can give you an idea of how someone's viewing things if you ask in an enquiring rather than confrontational way. Then there can maybe be some discussion about different perspectives, or at worst you may decide you don't want to engage with that person again.

The majority of people will just have it there to show 'emergency' or to show that they are thinking of Palestine. Wanting to support Palestine and the innocent people trapped in this humanitarian crisis isn't the same as supporting the abhorrent actions of a proscribed terrorist organisation.

The people I know utterly condemn what happened on October 7th. There is no justification for those horrific events.

Innocent people in Israel and Palestine do not deserve to be tortured and murdered. We need to live in a world where an Israeli child's life and a Palestinian child's life are both valued.

Having just looked up her X feed somebody mentioned that it was the Nazi badge for political prisoners. Make of that what you will. Fairly certain that would have been my badge before they carted me away. A lifetime on the activist left has left too many traces to deny.

https://museeholocauste.ca/en/objects/identification-badge-of-a-political-prisoner-nazi-camps/

@Trulywonderful in regards to your question

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-gaza-latest-us-steps-up-pressure-on-israel-with-visa-ban-as-un-tells-netanyahu-military-operation-has-to-stop-12978800?postid=6878158#liveblog-body

Came across it today

Sorry what question? I ask a lot of questions and can't remember talking to you about whatever this is.

Oh dear that is actually nearly as bad as the Hamas suggestion if you take into account some of the twitter accounts that are using the red triangle

Yuck

Sorry should have clarified
I saw you asked about the red arrow yesterday
The BBC did a piece bout it today
Not sure if the link is showing the right part

I think another one of your comments should be deleted. The IDF is not a proscribed terrorist organisation.
Hamas is.

Both Hamas and Israeli government have violated international humanitarian law. Hamas have been horribly violent, Israeli govt have been violent.
Israelis and Palestinians both have the right to exist. The past is gone, the people, the present is now. Israelis (especially those in the Southern communities) have the right to live without fear of constant rocket attacks and awful massacres like October 7. The Palestinians have the right to live in security and socio-economic prosperity in their own sovereign state without fear of Israeli strikes and being bombed to bits as happening now in Gaza, or murdered in West Bank, detained indefinitely without trial or land stolen from settler extremists

Need leaders on both sides to be brave and guide their people to compromise, dare to trust and make peace. Hamas and current Israeli govt under Netanyahu are not the leaders to do this.

I share the words of a Jewish Israeli peace activist, Ami Dar.

“This conflict is so hard to resolve, I think, because at its deepest it is not about land or specific borders. It is about trauma and deep-seated and well-founded fears. And so it can only be resolved when majorities on both sides believe - truly, deeply, believe - that the majority and the leadership of the other side truly wants to live side by side in some way. That’s a very tall order right now. We are very far from that. But realistically, that’s what it will take. Nothing less than that will break the knot. And this is why every word and every action that brings us closer together, even minimally, is good, and every act or gesture that pulls us further apart is bad.”

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So just march and bear witness to innocent civilian deaths. Whole families wiped out, no one left to bear witness but strangers. Neighbours fleeing, struggling to survive. Blood , death, little bodies wrapped in shrouds, pain, fear anguish

March because British and US public opinion will be pivotal in ending the bombardment.
New York Times’ 5 December “I think U.S. policy has a shelf life of four to six weeks,” said Cliff Kupchan, chairman of the Eurasia Group, who had just returned from a trip to the region. “If this war is still ongoing in January, dissent within the Democratic Party and strong international pressure will probably cause Biden to pressure Israel to scale back military operations.”

March, for your own sake . Because even there’s a tiny chance of bringing the end of bombing even an hour sooner, you are the type of person that cares enough. Because you are like the Jewish people who see the complexity of the situation but choose to march.

Hamas is a terrorist group. There may be some indirect negotiations, especially with so many hostages needing release, but there is almost zero chance that Hamas will be involved in the post conflict administration of Gaza

The Jewish Chronicle ? Yeah, very unbiased ffs ! Israel are making up more and more lies as the weeks go by, no credible independently verified sources.
If tens of thousands of men, women and children weren’t being murdered daily by the IDF, it would be laughable.

I am questioning what you mean by a ceasefire.

Do you mean that Israel should not defend itself against violent aggression? And simply leave its people at the mercy of a violent terrorist regime?

Or are your marches for creasefire directed towards Hamas?

If the marches have the intention of telling Hamas to stop their aggression, so that Israel has no need to defend itself, then I completely agree.

If they are directed solely towards Israel, then you are saying that Israel shouldn't be allowed to defend itself, and allow Hamas to do what it will with the land and its people.