Documenting the horror that is Hamas

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Well your memory can’t be that good. Please see one of the several links I posted to the written versions of her interview.

So what is your point? Several of the terrorists were carrying weapons with them into the hospital. That’s neither here nor there. The footage shows medical care being given by hospital medics to a hostage.

I talking about HER actual TV interview, not journalists accounts of it.

What are you on about? You have misreported basic facts. She was not held in a hospital for weeks. She wasn’t in the hospital at release. I posted inks to the written reports stating this. Your answer was that you watched it on TV.

I haven’t contradicted myself at all.

It isn’t making anything up to say that a house next door being destroyed by a bomb causing her injury bad enough for glass to embed itself in her skull was a near miss with death, as in she was almost killed by it. If the bomb were only a metre closer….

Thats not contradicting the fact her injuries were not immediately life threatening.

You can have a very close call to death, where but for luck you would have died without being seriously injured.

Thanks for that. However the Haaretz article quoting Palestinians isn't covered under what is mentioned in those 2 articles (the 3rd is about journalists in the war zone).

Nor is it an embarrassing personal revelation which seems to be another category.

Since the article also mentions IDF denial and the fact you've admitted the women weren't "literally kidnapped" it's obviously not verified anyway.

Journalists would have taken or used a transcript. Besides, bit odd that several journalists’ written accounts of her interview all match up word for word but are completely different from your memory of what she said on TV.

What are you on about? You have misreported basic facts. She was not held in a hospital for weeks. She wasn’t in the hospital at release. I posted inks to the written reports stating this. Your answer was that you watched it on TV.

I haven't "misreported" anything. And make your mind up, you said she didn't say it then that she didn't know what she was talking about, due to her trauma.

*I haven’t contradicted myself at all.

It isn’t making anything up to say that a house next door being destroyed by a bomb causing her injury bad enough for glass to embed itself in her skull was a near miss with death, as in she was almost killed by it. If the bomb were only a metre closer….

Thats not contradicting the fact her injuries were not immediately life threatening.

You can have a very close call to death, where but for luck you would have died without being seriously injured.*

You're being ridiculous. Talk about pretzel logic. She WASN’T "Almost killed" which is what you said. I'm not replying on this subject again.

It has been verified.

The censoring bans are things they cannot publish even if they are true. Everything that is not banned, still has to be passed through the censors prior to publication for review. Not being a banned topic is not an exemption from getting censor approval to publish.

Haaretz are not quoting “Palestinians” as in random Palestinian people off the street. They are quoting a government office- Palestinian Authority's Commission of Detainees and Ex-Detainees.

The same events have been reported by Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor
https://euromedmonitor.org/en/country/1/Israel-Palestinian-Territory

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/04/middleeast/israel-hostage-doron-katz-asher-interview-hamas-gaza-intl/index.html

Ok @Hellenika let's move on to this hostage. What was her reason for being in hospital (yet not treated as a patient)?

The footage shows medical care being given by hospital medics to a hostage.

It categorically does not show any medical care being given to that hostage by a medic. It shows the hostage being violently dragged through a hospital and that is all.

Why, if you are so keen to point out what you believe is the truth of the matter, would you make a detail like that up?

The smallest bombs kill everything with an area the size of the football field. The largest, two city blocks.

Yes, she was almost killed by that bomb. If it had been one or two metres closer, she wouldn’t be here today. It is not right at all say it is “not a big deal” to her to have been that close to death. It was not right for you to be outraged at my saying Sharon Cunio is going to have trauma from such a close call on top of everything else she endured.

The footage shows two hostages being brought in together. The one that is bleeding is then shown getting medical care, while on a gurney. He’s had his hand bandaged. The other hostage (blue shirt, upright one) is to the left of the hostage on the gurney and he’s slumped over and limp, being supported by the same two men who came in with him.

We are talking about the footage of the man being dragged in by a group with no obvious injuries, why are you mentioning other hostages?

Here's the actual footage, for the avoidance of doubt.

Please, feel free to look at the footage at the start and tell me that looks like a person receiving medical care. Then make an appointment with Specsavers.

Thank you. I had asked for any info on other hostages. This one is from yesterday. So, she was held in a hospital somewhere for several weeks with her two daughters.

This use would be a violation of international law by Hamas.

You could have followed the MSN link I posted as it has the footage too and screen grabs. Although with less cropping and no music.

Hey, I didn’t make up anything? I said “a hostage” as the footage shows two hostages.

We were discussing the man being dragged through the hospital. You talking about a hostage receiving medical care makes it sound like you're talking about him - deliberately misleading, as I said.

Anyway, care to comment on if the footage does indeed look like a man being taken in for medical care?

Nothing excuses hamas for their actions on Oct 7th, they do not have a shred of humanity, stop making excuses for psychotic sociopaths.
Anyone who supports their particular brand of humanitarianism should be on a watchlist.

So what makes you think they weren't doing the same with the other hostages mentioned on this thread? 🥴

Euromed is hardly independent, despite what it claims. Most of its officials are Arab.

And once again we have established they were not "literally " kidnapped.

Another hostage kept in a hospital
https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1742173570539684171?t=mrM2ZrLS0NPHPPxJ2i6RRQ&s=19

Time with a family being watched then weeks in a hospital. It does show that hamas uses hospitals for its own ends as per Israeli claims. Not that the hamas supporters will believe the witnesses accounts.

People on the streets cheering after the 7th October attacks and then baying like a mob on release indicating many ordinary civilians do what hamas say and support them. It makes me understand why surrounding countries don't want to invite them in.

www.wsj.com/articles/palestinian-authority-hamas-terrorists-payments-israel-gaza-oct-7-898c5a4b

I don't know how much of this you will be able to see but it basically talks about payments made to terrorists by the Palestinian authority.

archive.is/2024.01.05-161301/www.wsj.com/articles/palestinian-authority-hamas-terrorists-payments-israel-gaza-oct-7-898c5a4b

There it is.

It seems being a terrorist pays well. I wish they would stop paying murderers and rapists