Documenting the horror that is Hamas

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What “rubbish” have I repeated?

And the ceasefire ended weeks ago. But odd to be thinking any side would be still be going by the ceasefire. The 100 or so hostages that were released, all were seen by the Red Cross per the ceasefire.

@Hellenika the Red Cross where supposed to be given access to the hostages being held.

You know what, it’s not faux concern. I’m starting to think you don’t give two shits about the hostages. Why else would you and others be so hell bent on calling it a crime to get hostages medical care in a hospital?

It beggars belief that you would seriously condemn hostages getting basic medical care to save life and limb. I shudder to think what you think Israel should be doing for all the Palestinians detained without charge, including the hundreds of women and girls they have literally kidnapped off the streets of Gaza.

Yeah, and IDF weren’t supposed to shoot and kill Palestinian civilians. Did you think that once IDF had broken the most obvious part of a cease fire, which is to cease firing weapons, on day #1 that there would be no ignoring a different ceasefire term by Hamas in a tit for tat?

Recovering from her injuries? In her interview ( posted on hostage thread) She mentions the building next door being bombed and that she got glass in her head. She makes absolutely no big deal of it and doesn't even say that was the reason they were held in the hospital so long (all but the first two weeks). So why would you assume that when she didn't even mention getting it?

As for allowing her husband and daughter to be with her, you are aware that cor the first 2 weeks one of the twins was held separately?

This grieves me too, the "Well, show me the movie or it never happened."

Social media seems to have created an expectation that everything can be shared. And sometimes it cannot.

Not just because film of it is not available, or kept confidential.

It makes absolute sense for survivors to be reluctant to share details of what happened. I have read and seen some accounts that literally keep me awake at night. I don't share them on here because I wouldn't want others to feel similarly traumatized, and because I feel further traumatized by the "So what / Ah, but... / Never happened" responses.

I can't imagine the responsibility of clearly remembering what you saw of a loved one's horrific last moments/hours, and also knowing that sharing that information will devastate other people you care about and literally ruin their lives for ever. I'm not surprised there are suicides among the survivors.

He was actively struggling. I suppose that was a "brain injury too?

And btw my concern is that if i say nothing and don’t let you know no it’s not a crime, then my silence will endanger the hostages still there . Why? Do you think Hamas are monitoring Mumsnet?

there is no video footage of him walking unaided

He's being so violently dragged that his t-shirt is rucked up, exposing his midriff. That's probably not how I'd treat anyone injured.

It beggars belief that you would seriously condemn hostages getting basic medical care to save life and limb. I shudder to think what you think Israel should be doing for all the Palestinians detained without charge, including the hundreds of women and girls they have literally kidnapped off the streets of Gaza.

Treatment for a few bits of glass which the person treated didn't even mention herself is hardly saving life and limb is it ?

What "hundreds of women and girls have they literally kidnapped off the streets in Gaza"? A small number of women were amongst those arrested but please show your sources proving otherwise. Such hyperbole doesn't help.

I also wonder what your excuse is for the several other hostages who have said they were held in hospital, who did not have anything wrong with them?

From what I have read, it was around Day 10 that she was injured and taken to the hospital with husband and daughter. It was there she was reunited with the twin, Emma as Hamas did a propaganda video of it.

The articles usually say they were then reunited with 12 other hostages, held above ground and moved several times which would indicate they were not in the hospital until release.

There is also mention that her husband was held seperate from her and the daughters for the last few days prior to their release too. I haven’t seen anything that says they were all kept together in the hospital beyond the few days they were all there together for her to get the glass removed from her head.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-captivity-was-russian-roulette-freed-israeli-hostage-says-2023-12-11/

I'm sure they're grateful. 🙄

Sharon Cunio said herself she is “broken”. In everything she suffered, the trauma and shock- an injury that she got quick and adequate medical care for, isn’t going to register as much as being reunited with her missing 3yr old daughter. She must have been out of her mind with worry. If her injuries had not been treated, she could have come down with sepsis. Sepsis has been and is killing people in Gaza. Please do not downplay what she has been through.

What several other hostages held in hospitals? Only Sharon Cunio was posted as an example on this thread.

I will similarly find you the link for the women and girls detained from Gaza.

I think there are a few people who actually revel in seeing it. I mean what normal person wants to see video of a woman being raped then shot in the head? I also think that because many people in the ME (not just Palestinians, it happened to some degree in Syria too) show huge amounts of graphic footage they can't understand why Israel, like the West, does not. They also don't seem to understand that the families don't want it.

I also think some of it is anti semitism. The idea that hundreds of rescue workers, mortuary workers, pathologists, survivors, must be lying definitely smacks of that to me.

Analysis of the video by experts has been inconclusive. He is staggering, slipping and bent over clutching his midriff.

It could be injury or it could be being manhandled.

Following for the evidence of women "literally kidnapped" off the streets of Gaza

From what I've read. I'm basing all my comments on her interview, several parts of it are on Twitter.

I have not heard of a propaganda video showing them being reunited with Emma.

She said her husband was moved from them a couple of days before they were released and was told he was being moved to be with other men.

Here is one report
”The head of the Palestinian Prisoners' Club, Qadura Fares, said on Monday that since the war began, Israel has arrested 153 women in Gaza, including pregnant women and those who are being detained with their babies.“
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-12-12/ty-article/.premium/israel-detained-153-gazan-women-some-with-babies-says-palestinian-prisoners-club-head/0000018c-5d37-d03f-af9f-7d772cdf0000

Don't hold your breath. 😉

Detained. Arrested. Not kidnapped. And not an independent source. Has it been verified by say, Reuters or someone like that?

I am basing mine on her interview as well as reported in several news sources. I don’t look at Twitter very much. Usually only when it is linked to by a new source to video footage that they have verified and authenticated.

How is Haaretz not an independent source? They are Israeli and not owned or controlled by the Israeli government. In addition, it is now illegal in Israel to publish anything about the war that is opinion, allegation, rumour. It has to be verified.

"Palestinian Prisonets Club" ( I await the movie...) says.

Don't forget this bit.
"IDF said in response that the Gazans who were arrested and are not Hamas-affiliated have been released or will be released soon. The army has also denied the claim that it holds Gazan children in detention."

Haaretz is quoting a Palestinian source. It has not verified it.