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Conflict in the Middle East

IDF shot a 9 year old boy

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ThickPinkSocks · 29/11/2023 20:18

Why is this not in the mainstream news? I thought there was a ceasefire!

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beigecartoon · 30/11/2023 14:50

ohforheavenssakedearcomeonnow · 30/11/2023 14:45

I think the poster was suggesting a solution though I agree that he/she could have sounded more empathetic. My opinion is that the IDF do not shoot indiscriminately but only do so when there is a threat to life.

@ohforheavenssakedearcomeonnow plenty of evidence to suggest they do not need to believe there is a threat to life to shoot:

https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/01/02/israel/palestine-some-officials-backing-shoot-kill

https://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/testimonies/database/188889

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/sep/06/israel

PurpleChrayne · 30/11/2023 14:50

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Hiddenmnetter · 30/11/2023 14:54

bellac11 · 30/11/2023 13:16

Perhaps, and that is important context. But if the suspects were running away, you dont shoot surely?

You go after them and arrest them?

I don’t know if this is verified, however I remember reading reports that Hamas use child soldiers to bait IDF into ambushes. The point being that chasing them is a quick way to die.

beigecartoon · 30/11/2023 14:54

The disgusting hate speech on this thread.

"I also try to
appreciate the culmination of kids being
radicalised from the cradle to the grave."

Appreciating the culmination (death) of children? Assuming they are all terrorists?

Posters posting content like this should be ashamed of themselves.

Parkingt111 · 30/11/2023 14:57

beigecartoon · 30/11/2023 14:54

The disgusting hate speech on this thread.

"I also try to
appreciate the culmination of kids being
radicalised from the cradle to the grave."

Appreciating the culmination (death) of children? Assuming they are all terrorists?

Posters posting content like this should be ashamed of themselves.

Exactly
And it's always from the most hypocritical posters too

Hiddenmnetter · 30/11/2023 14:57

Infact im quite sure that in urban conflict doctrine you aren’t ever meant to leave your armour behind- you always stay with the cover of heavy weaponry.

stormy4319trevor · 30/11/2023 14:58

beigecartoon · 30/11/2023 14:54

The disgusting hate speech on this thread.

"I also try to
appreciate the culmination of kids being
radicalised from the cradle to the grave."

Appreciating the culmination (death) of children? Assuming they are all terrorists?

Posters posting content like this should be ashamed of themselves.

Culmination means ending.
'Appreciate the ending of kids'
Is that really saying what I think it is??

beigecartoon · 30/11/2023 14:59

@stormy4319trevor yep, that's why it was deleted. And other posters agreeing with it.

stormy4319trevor · 30/11/2023 15:02

@beigecartoon Oh my god. I skipped over it, not reading properly. That is the most cruel comment I have read on here. Well done for picking up on it.

Parkingt111 · 30/11/2023 15:03

stormy4319trevor · 30/11/2023 15:02

@beigecartoon Oh my god. I skipped over it, not reading properly. That is the most cruel comment I have read on here. Well done for picking up on it.

Even I did
And I can't believe I tried to give a reasonable response to it
I keep saying to myself that it's just the odd or individual poster who doesn't value the lives of palestinian children as much but I'm seeing how wrong I was
To suggest the default is that they have been indoctrinated to kill Israelis
How cruel

ohforheavenssakedearcomeonnow · 30/11/2023 15:06

beigecartoon · 30/11/2023 14:59

@stormy4319trevor yep, that's why it was deleted. And other posters agreeing with it.

It was actually withdrawn not deleted. It was also in reply to a comment that HAS been deleted about Israelis wanting to kill Palestinians everywhere which is clearly not the case.

stormy4319trevor · 30/11/2023 15:15

@ohforheavenssakedearcomeonnow Doesn't look like that to me, but no point arguing over it. It is completely unacceptable as a statement anyway.

feralunderclass · 30/11/2023 15:16

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Nice bit of victim blaming there to justify the cold blooded murder of children. First of all, we don't know that they were doing anything wrong in the first place. There was nothing to suggest in the footage that they were even carrying anything, let alone throwing explosive devices. Secondly, these are children, they have the right to step outside their front door without being murdered. The area they were in is supposed to be a safe zone, but the IDF stormed it.

OuiOuiKitty · 30/11/2023 15:23

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Are you suggesting it is OK to kill a Palestinian child(you say they have to be stopped) because potentially one day in the future they might kill someone?

More Palestinians are killed every year than Israelis, does that mean it is OK to kill Israelis because one day they may go on to kill a Palestinian?

Where does this cycle end do you think?

I honestly can't believe that 3 people have come to this thread to justify shooting and unarmed child in the head as he ran for his life. The racism shown has been disgusting, viewing every Palestinian child as a potential terrorist that must be exterminated.

Thisusernamenotavailable · 30/11/2023 15:27

There is another angle to the video floating around on Twitter that shows one of the children appearing to light some sort of explosive. Someone has put it alongside the original video to show they happen at the same time.

There’s no need to pretend these boys were skipping down the road playing tag.

It’s not acceptable to kill children.

All these things can be true.

Struggggggling · 30/11/2023 15:30

Thisusernamenotavailable · 30/11/2023 15:27

There is another angle to the video floating around on Twitter that shows one of the children appearing to light some sort of explosive. Someone has put it alongside the original video to show they happen at the same time.

There’s no need to pretend these boys were skipping down the road playing tag.

It’s not acceptable to kill children.

All these things can be true.

Share it then

Chaitales · 30/11/2023 15:33

The lengths people will go to justify killing children. They will argue every angle in the book, bring out every excuse to excuse the murder, glorify it even, eventually showing their true colours.

"All Palestinian children are indoctrinated and liable to kill Israelis/Jews, therefore their deaths are justified."

Disgusting

ohforheavenssakedearcomeonnow · 30/11/2023 15:33

OuiOuiKitty · 30/11/2023 15:23

Are you suggesting it is OK to kill a Palestinian child(you say they have to be stopped) because potentially one day in the future they might kill someone?

More Palestinians are killed every year than Israelis, does that mean it is OK to kill Israelis because one day they may go on to kill a Palestinian?

Where does this cycle end do you think?

I honestly can't believe that 3 people have come to this thread to justify shooting and unarmed child in the head as he ran for his life. The racism shown has been disgusting, viewing every Palestinian child as a potential terrorist that must be exterminated.

Obviously this has not been suggested. What has been suggested is that there are two sides to a story - not one side.

Struggggggling · 30/11/2023 15:36

Why are people arguing with racists?

Regardless of what you say they will explain away why a Palestinian child should be shot. They don't care, stop trying to appeal to their non-existent humanity.

Chaitales · 30/11/2023 15:38

ohforheavenssakedearcomeonnow · 30/11/2023 15:33

Obviously this has not been suggested. What has been suggested is that there are two sides to a story - not one side.

There are not 2 sides when it comes to killing a child

@Struggggggling agree. This is a lost argument. They will say anything to minimise a Palestinian death.

Peace.

Jupitersstorm · 30/11/2023 15:40

Thisusernamenotavailable · 30/11/2023 15:27

There is another angle to the video floating around on Twitter that shows one of the children appearing to light some sort of explosive. Someone has put it alongside the original video to show they happen at the same time.

There’s no need to pretend these boys were skipping down the road playing tag.

It’s not acceptable to kill children.

All these things can be true.

Please could you share the link to show posters the truth?

OuiOuiKitty · 30/11/2023 15:46

Jupitersstorm · 30/11/2023 15:40

Please could you share the link to show posters the truth?

Show posters the truth of what though? He was unarmed, he was running for his life, they did shoot him in head. He was a child. You can't think of a better way to deal with a primary aged child than shooting him in the head? Wtf is wrong with people.

Alexandra2001 · 30/11/2023 15:54

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Countries do care, the only reason we ve a ceasefire in Gaza is because of the Americans.
But any criticism of Israel very quickly will get you called an Anti-Semite (as i found out when i argued for a ceasefire (on here) in Gaza 2 weeks ago)

This is why countries/politicians stay relatively quiet, as far as i can see, in terms of outcome, there is little difference between what Russia is doing in Ukraine and IDF is doing in the WB or Gaza.

Media is full of the tragedy of the death of a Israeli kidnap family, apparently killed in IDF bombing but little about the death of a Palestinian woman (who used to work in the Scottish NHS) and her family bombed in Southern Gaza in the so called safe zone, 42 members of her extended and immediate family all killed.

Jupitersstorm · 30/11/2023 15:57

OuiOuiKitty · 30/11/2023 15:46

Show posters the truth of what though? He was unarmed, he was running for his life, they did shoot him in head. He was a child. You can't think of a better way to deal with a primary aged child than shooting him in the head? Wtf is wrong with people.

I said "the truth". Showing what happened, the shooting and why he was shot - eg shot accidentally/innocent bystander/ or what he did before he was shot if anything.
Don't you think the full evidence is needed before jumping to conclusions?
The truth.

Efacsen · 30/11/2023 16:00

Jupitersstorm · 30/11/2023 15:57

I said "the truth". Showing what happened, the shooting and why he was shot - eg shot accidentally/innocent bystander/ or what he did before he was shot if anything.
Don't you think the full evidence is needed before jumping to conclusions?
The truth.

Lets see the additional evidence then please