IDF shot a 9 year old boy

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Why is this not in the mainstream news? I thought there was a ceasefire!

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I don't understand what is it you want from me. I believe Reuters, I assume they check their info.

A child was murdered.

It doesn't excuse anything.

But there is also no justification for this child being murdered. And a reflection on the supporters of one side that they tried to label a child as a 'terrorist'

Administrative detention - NOT a fair trial - for detaining children for throwing stones- does not make them convicted 'terrorists'

@localnotail yes, your racism. They were both children.

Does anyone know if there is a fund that has been set up to support Basel and Adams families?

I doubt it. They don't count as children

Reuters is only reporting what Hamas said - that's their job

What I'm asking you is why you're so sure that Hamas is telling the truth about Basel's membership of Hamas - given that the received wisdom is that Hamas always lies

And it's important because they are trying to arrange a big showy Hamas funeral which his family don't want and which will confirm to people like you that Basel was a terrorist and all that follows from that

Think his family have been very brave to speak out considering the risk of push-back from Hamas

Hmmmm

Not so sure that the IDF always tell the strict truth either...

That's not the point in question

So not really relevant

Why on earth was post saying that there is no excuse for killing a 9 year old child deleted? Seriously. Mumsnet has lost the plot. Are people just reporting every post that doesn't agree that maybe the child was in the way or maybe he deserved to be shot? Madness.

This. It beggars belief that posters have come on to bleat about Hamas. He was a CHILD.
On another thread, about an Israeli child, there are complaints about people derailing and how it is always "pro-Palestinian" posters. Have some respect and follow the same advice for all children, regardless of nationality.

Except it’s relevant isn’t it? If Hamas use child soldiers, and they have a tactic of baiting IDF soldiers to chase into ambush, then it’s highly relevant to the IDFs actions.

That the child threw an explosive at the soldiers it doesn’t guarantee they were a member of Hamas (or IJ, or one of the other options) but it does suggest it, doesn’t it?

No one is saying “oh great a child dead”- it’s horrible, and the boys poor parents must be suffering terribly. But that doesn’t mean that the IDF were just sitting on the corner smoking a fag, saw a few kids go by and thought “oh this is a laugh” and took a pot shot.

Where are you getting the information that this 8 year old was a Hamas child soldier? Can a Palestinian child not just be seen as a child fgs?

What's your evidence that Basel the 15 yr old was a 'child soldier'?

I'm assuming that you don't think a 8 yr old would be engaged by Hamas recruiters for active duty

As I said in my post, I don’t know him from Adam, but that the boys were throwing explosives at the IDF suggests something doesn’t it? Or are you suggesting it’s just an ordinary Palestinian childhood past time to be in possession of explosives and to throw them at soldiers?

For goodness sake. Even a dead child isn't immune from accusations and criticism.
Why not stop trying to find fault and make insinuations, and just wait for an official verification of what happened? You know, to a minor, who was shot to death.

Where is your evidence that either of them were 'throwing explosives at the IDF'?

PS Un-verified clips from twitter don't count I'm afraid

I have no idea- other people said you can see it on various clips. I’m just pointing out that the chest beating and wailing about how “the IDF are out there murdering children by the score and here’s the evidence” doesn’t really paint a full picture does it?

Might be argued that a well built 15yo throwing an explosive at the IDF might be shot in self defence etc but an 8yo?

Most wouldn't be able to throw for shit, they'd blow themselves up.

The evidence is, based on official numbers, that the IDF do indeed kill large numbers of Palestinians, armed or not.

The hatred for each other, unfortunately knows no bounds, this is unlike almost any other conflict we've ever seen, makes NI look like a tea party.

Okay. So no evidence apart from 'other people said'

And just FYI the IDF have killed 52 children in the West Bank in the last 7 weeks so maybe it merits a little 'chest beating and wailing' as you charmingly put it

I'd call it a major concern

I mean I’d agree in the normal course of events, but Hamas don’t seem to care. Having children get killed is something they seem totally ok with. Otherwise they wouldn’t recruit child soldiers, so I don’t think the concern about child innocence is something that’s high on their agenda.

@Alexandra2001 agree that it’s like no other conflict. That a terrorist organisation somehow has turned public opinion round and garnered considerable sympathy from lots of normally rational people. Don’t see many of you sympathising with the Taliban or Al Qaeda who also have committed similar atrocities and claim to be the victims of western imperialism, invasions and oppression.
Most of those IDF soldiers will be young, many are conscripted because Israel has national service, no doubt large numbers will dislike Netanyahu and his politics. To suggest that all Israeli soldiers are crazed murderous sadists who just love shooting kids is ridiculous. Most will be good people much like most Palestinians aren’t necessarily Hamas supporters.
We don’t know the real circumstances about this incident and it’s a cert that Hamas will use it as yet more propaganda.

Who is sympathising with Hamas? Can you really not respect the fact a child has been killed without bringing Hamas into it? Shameful. Really, really shameful.

@Katharineblum nobody is supporting Hamas, they are supporting innocent palestinian civilians who are oppressed on so many levels by israeli govt, settlers and hamas. Nobody thinks every IDF member is a crazy child killer either. But there's lots of evidence, such as from Breaking the Silence, videos, testimonials and amnesty reports to suggest far too many brutal attacks against civilians occur. We might sometimes challenge propaganda on both sides, this might include challenging claims about IDF or Hamas, because in war the truth is important. That does not equal supporting hamas. Just wanting to look for truth.

Just to clarify as I think some people are getting mixed up
The 9 year old boy who was murdered with one shot to his head was in his own neighbourhood and they were sprung upon in a suprise attack by the IDF. This was in an area which is considered a safe zone

This incident that happened is completely separate to the shooting that happened by Hamas members in East Jerusalem

There has been no footage or evidence to suggest that the young child was throwing or lighting anything up

The cctv shows him with his back turned and shot from behind

If you really can't see why this is wrong and have no evidence to the contrary then I don't see any point of arguing it further. A child lost his life. You have all come on to tell those who are upset about this that actually he might have just brought it on himself with no evidence to back up your claims

@Parkingt111 yes it shows zero respect for the actual child who has lost his LIFE at age 9. Can you imagine if this was a child from the UK and posters dared say this stuff? Disgraceful lack of respect for a beautiful 9 yr old child who is now sadly dead.

@beigecartoon In Psychology today, Jan 2023
‘Nonstate and terrorist groups, such as ISIS, Boko Haram, Hamas, Al-Shabaab, and Islamic Jihad are among the worst offenders. They openly recruit children, using them in combat roles and as support staff, and often exploit them sexually.’

I think that the main culprits showing a disgraceful lack of respect for the citizens of their godforsaken state are Hamas and other extremist Islamic terrorist groups.