Disease could kill more in Gaza than bombs, WHO says amid Israeli siege

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Disease could kill more in Gaza than bombs, WHO says amid Israeli siege https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/28/disease-could-kill-more-in-gaza-than-bombs-who-says-amid-israeli-siege

Shattered healthcare and sanitation systems must be restored in Gaza, says World Health Organization.

UN official Tor Wennesland warned the humanitarian situation “remains catastrophic”.

Israeli bombardment has killed more than 14,800 Palestinians, including 6,150 children and more than 4,000 women, according to health authorities in the enclave.

The idea that the IDF can destroy Hamas is frankly ridiculous. What they are actually doing is strengthening them in the longer term, this level of persecution and injustice against an innocent population is a massive recruitment tool.

Have the US learned nothing from their aggressions in the ME? 🙄

And what about the murdered kidnapped Jewish babies & children?
Do you cry for them too?
They had no choice to live where they did. Their adults lived there.

@DirectionToPerfection and not just in Gaza - a whole generation in the Middle East is being radicalised by what they are witnessing

I think the vast vast majority of people who are horrified by the killing of innocent Palestinian children are equally horrified by the killing of innocent Israeli children, but I'm sure you're aware of that.

Why is it ok to avenge the deaths of 1400 people by killing ten times that amount of Palestinian civilians (so far) instead of targeting the actual terrorists who committed those crimes?

I think there's an obvious answer to that and it's a very ugly one, sadly.

That post was directed to @Applesauce123

And even worse than that the blowback will inevitably and awfully happen at home. Islamist nutjobs will be back and ready to die for Allah. Let's hope our intelligence services are on the case

Yes of course. And not just the children - I don’t think any civilians should be targeted. I think people on this thread are advocating for peace and safety for all civilians.

Even the US pointed out that Israel are pushing Palestinian’s into the arms of the enemy.

I've read posts on mn recently saying its worth whatever it takes to get rid of hammas. I wanted to post but they bloody hate me and pick apart everything i say so i don't bother. But why cant grown women understand that the bombing of Gaza and the violence in the west bank will just recruit more people to the hamas cause than ever? Surely thats so plain to see and utterly inevitable?

The impact of the Israel-Gaza conflict on the territory’s healthcare sector has been “catastrophic”, the World Health Organization chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said on Sunday. He was spekaing at an emergency board meeting, and said conditions in the territory were ideal for the spread of deadly diseases.

From the guardian

Agreed, the vitriol towards those standing up for ceasefire and shedding light on Israel's war crimes and systemic oppression is horrific. So many times I have deleted my posts rather than face the inevitable smears and pile on.

I don't think the pro Israeli side is vitriolic at all on MN. It feels more the other way. The US, Uk and I support Israel but I have no vitriol against anyone and understand the position of both sides in this.

If more people are recruited to the cause of Hamas we will stop them killing people in the UK as we do not give in to terrorists. If you give terrorists an inch they take a mile.

You wouldn't though xenia

Support for Israel in the US is dropping - a recent poll showed support had dropped from 41% to 32%.
About three-quarters of Democrats and half of Republicans in the poll supported the idea of a ceasefire, putting them at odds with Joe Biden who has rebuffed calls from Arab leaders, including Palestinians, to pressure Israel into a ceasefire.
With the US election on the horizon, the US voters opinions will be important.

You do know that stating the UK supports Israel in every single post, still doesn't make it true? Our PM does, but him and Starmer both had to impose a whip to ensure MPs didn't vote for a ceasefire. UK public (majority) doesn't share their views either.

@ChickHenLittle
@Parker231

Rather than personal opinions on what the majority of the UK public does or does not believes how about basing it on factual evidence instead?

"19% of Britons say they ‘most sympathise’ with the Israeli side, while an identical 19% say they most sympathise with the Palestinian side. A further 31% sympathise with both sides equally, while the remaining 31% are unsure."

yougov.co.uk/international/articles/47784-most-britons-have-sympathy-for-both-sides-in-israel-palestine-conflict

I haven’t mentioned the uk in my post.

From the LA Times

Israel and the U.S. also disagree on the ultimate goal of the war. Israel wants to eradicate Hamas, a task some experts believe to be impossible, and Washington advocates removing Hamas as a governing force in the Gaza Strip so that it no longer poses a threat. The U.S. government also insists that any permanent resolution must include an independent sovereign state for Palestinians which Netanyahu and many in his right-wing government reject.

I don’t usually post on these topics because there are naturally very strong opinions but I felt I had to show that other posters agree with @Xenia.
If a country is attacked by terrorists as Israel was, then it is naive to think they will not respond to defend themselves and deter another terrorist attack. It is unrealistic to expect them to do anything else. I think most people in the UK agree with this actually, but for some reason it seems to have become something people only say quietly.
I am sad for the loss of life on both sides of this conflict, it is a shame that we humans kill each other when we could all live peacefully. But that would mean that both sides accept the other sides right to exist - in peace, without the risk of terrorist attacks.
And that would mean moderate palestinians taking control of the situation, disavowing hamas and accepting Israel’s right to exist in peace. When is that going to happen?

I suppose it depends then on whether you think ethnic cleansing and targeting civilians is a form of defence. I don't.

Do you have an answer to my question @Toothyfruity when will the moderate palestinians say enough death & destructiom, enough is enough? I think its only when the moderates on both sides decide to settle for peace that this has a hope of ending. This involves both sides making compromises and I don’t see hamas as capable of that - they are s terrorist organisation with the aim of destroying Israel.

The majority of the UK support a ceasefire and that is from a YOUGOV poll weeks ago so I suspect the figure is even higher now.
58% there definitely should be a ceasefire
18% there probably should be

ONLY 3% said there definitely should not be a ceasefire

So I don't think the UK does stand with Israel's actions. And that is probably why so many go on marches because the UK Gov is not representing the public's view accurately.

Yes, if we are attacked we react. It is how democracies work.it is why we have loads of nuclear weapons, an army etc they are not to show - they are to stop our enemies - Israel is the same.

Also many in Gaza would be delighted if Hamas goes - Hamas seems to be taking all the aid for itself or a lot of it https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12846201/Hamas-terrorists-accused-Palestinians-stealing-food-vital-aid-desperate-families.html

@Xenia Israel is not a democracy. It's an apartheid state.

@Xenia Yee she is a very brave Palestinian and it sums up exactly the horror of the situation for Palestinian civilians. Always stuck between a rock and a hard place.