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Conflict in the Middle East

“Pause” ends tomorrow. Anyone else filled with dread ?

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Desertrose2023 · 27/11/2023 15:28

Just that really. I’ve felt such relief the past couple of days that my phone won’t be filled with a constant stream of murdered Palestinian kids and wailing parents. That all ends tomorrow and I have such a sense of foreboding even though I’m safe and comfortable thousands of miles away. I can’t begin to imagine the dread the Palestinians in Gaza must be feeling tonight knowing their genocide resumes tomorrow. When will it end 😞

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Itsaharddlife · 27/11/2023 21:49

Toothyfruity · 27/11/2023 21:47

The people on this thread getting upset and triggered by others being upset at the thought of children being murdered in their thousands are blowing my mind. I mean just because you're an asshole doesnt mean everyone one else is.

Exactly!
How dare OP use the word "dread" to describe their feelings.
Yet if some of us post on the antisemitism threads then we're trolling

Pennina · 27/11/2023 21:52

Toothyfruity · 27/11/2023 21:47

The people on this thread getting upset and triggered by others being upset at the thought of children being murdered in their thousands are blowing my mind. I mean just because you're an asshole doesnt mean everyone one else is.

No joy here either. Poor kids and innocent people always suffer on both sides of war. I wish it wasn't so.

XRAYTHIS · 27/11/2023 21:56

Itsaharddlife · 27/11/2023 16:23

Don't be so naive.
Israeli government considers the palestinains complicit. Thye refer to the civialins including stone throwing children as terrorists. They have been taking civilians as prisoners under administrative detention for years. This will not end with Hamas. As long as Israel continues its despicable treatment of Palestinians then more and more groups like hamas will continue to form. It's a vicious cycle

To be fair some released prisoners are terrorists supporters. As with previous releases, Israel have to be careful who they released. It was reported that 'Israel has made numerous agreements to release Palestinian prisoners in the past. Some revert to their pre-prison ways. Yahya Sinwar is a prime example. One of more than 1,000 released in the 2011 deal in exchange for one Israeli soldier, Gilad Shalit, Sinwar went on to become Hamas’s political leader in Gaza; Israel claims he is among the top figures responsible for the 7 October massacres.'

There are also children and people detained for what seems to be minor issues.

Sadly, this won't end quickly and more innocent people are likely to die in this war. It needs international mediation, possibly peace keeping and agreements that are kept to, to move forward. I, like many others don't know what the answer is.

Yahya Sinwar: the man who may hold key to release of Gaza hostages

Man described by Israel as architect of the 7 October attacks is now perhaps the most powerful figure in Hamas

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/21/yahya-sinwar-the-man-who-may-hold-key-to-release-of-gaza-hostages

Itsaharddlife · 27/11/2023 21:57

Pennina · 27/11/2023 21:52

No joy here either. Poor kids and innocent people always suffer on both sides of war. I wish it wasn't so.

"Only Palestinians it seems, they hate Israel more than they care about other countries' suffering"

"Oh please-such drama"

So why did you post these in response to someone expressing their feelings at the murder of innocent children???

AutumnNamechange · 27/11/2023 21:57

Katharineblum · 27/11/2023 19:43

@Desertrose2023 Maybe stop streaming horribly toxic intrusive war porn onto your phone. Why are posters investing so much emotional energy on this when it clearly is damaging to their mental health ? Can’t sleep at night, well switch off the Hamas news feed.

Agree with this - you are choosing to have this level of involvement and images on your phone. It seems really distasteful to me, like you are willingly choosing to vicariously experience the war from the comfort of your safe home. Like a disaster tourist. There are ways to support either side without engaging this way and damaging your own mental health in the process.

SiennaSienna · 27/11/2023 22:00

Katharineblum · 27/11/2023 19:43

@Desertrose2023 Maybe stop streaming horribly toxic intrusive war porn onto your phone. Why are posters investing so much emotional energy on this when it clearly is damaging to their mental health ? Can’t sleep at night, well switch off the Hamas news feed.

"Don't look up"

Pinkpinkpink15 · 27/11/2023 22:01

Katharineblum · 27/11/2023 20:12

@PurpleChrayne absolutely. It’s also possible to completely defend the right of Israel to exist, to defend itself exactly how other countries would do (which invariably ends up with babies, children and women, aka innocent people being injured and killed in the crossfire) and to mourn those people from both sides who’ve lost their lives. All we seem to hear is about big bad bully Israel whilst the behaviour perpetrated by oh so oppressed Hamas is conveniently being brushed under the carpet. Don’t know what the answer is to this whole depressing situation but the pretty constant demonisation of one side against another really isn’t helping.

@Katharineblum

it upsets me that people need this explaining to them (again & again).

Itsaharddlife · 27/11/2023 22:03

XRAYTHIS · 27/11/2023 21:56

To be fair some released prisoners are terrorists supporters. As with previous releases, Israel have to be careful who they released. It was reported that 'Israel has made numerous agreements to release Palestinian prisoners in the past. Some revert to their pre-prison ways. Yahya Sinwar is a prime example. One of more than 1,000 released in the 2011 deal in exchange for one Israeli soldier, Gilad Shalit, Sinwar went on to become Hamas’s political leader in Gaza; Israel claims he is among the top figures responsible for the 7 October massacres.'

There are also children and people detained for what seems to be minor issues.

Sadly, this won't end quickly and more innocent people are likely to die in this war. It needs international mediation, possibly peace keeping and agreements that are kept to, to move forward. I, like many others don't know what the answer is.

I don't deny some may be hamas supporters but how do you root out the ones who are from those who aren't? Isn't that the problem we're facing with the situation in gaza as a whole?
Can you imagine being locked away for years beaten and starved in prison for a crime you may not have even committed, no one willing to listen or help.
Israel is not doing itself any favours with the way it treats palestinians. Hate breeds hate. It's such a messed up situation and I think that's why people are so passionate about it becaude most of us can agree on the solution (or at least that this needs to end) yet after so many decades of hate, how do you achieve this safely? Neither side trusts the other to keep their word

Ixxy1980 · 27/11/2023 22:06

AutumnNamechange · 27/11/2023 21:57

Agree with this - you are choosing to have this level of involvement and images on your phone. It seems really distasteful to me, like you are willingly choosing to vicariously experience the war from the comfort of your safe home. Like a disaster tourist. There are ways to support either side without engaging this way and damaging your own mental health in the process.

I disagree with this, I think if the children have to endure bombings, then it’s only fair that we see what is happening in Gaza, we shouldn’t have the privilege of looking away, especially if you’re supporting it. If everyone were to see the horrific videos and images of the dead and injured children, then I don’t believe there would be a single person not calling for a ceasefire.

Chaitales · 27/11/2023 22:09

Toothyfruity · 27/11/2023 21:47

The people on this thread getting upset and triggered by others being upset at the thought of children being murdered in their thousands are blowing my mind. I mean just because you're an asshole doesnt mean everyone one else is.

Seriously.
They come on a thread because they don't like the fact that people are upset about murdered children. I don't understand why they need to negate even empathy and sadness for an innocent generation killed and maimed. They have nothing to add except pointing out that the murders are somehow justified, which wasn't even being discussed here - it was a thread about sadness at war restarting

Chaitales · 27/11/2023 22:11

Ixxy1980 · 27/11/2023 22:06

I disagree with this, I think if the children have to endure bombings, then it’s only fair that we see what is happening in Gaza, we shouldn’t have the privilege of looking away, especially if you’re supporting it. If everyone were to see the horrific videos and images of the dead and injured children, then I don’t believe there would be a single person not calling for a ceasefire.

There have been a few times when I have wanted to unfollow, change channels, ignore the live streams, pretend it's not happening

But it is. We only have to confront from our living rooms, but Palestinians are living through it. I don't want to kill my humanity and empathy by pretending it doesn't happen, nor do I want to turn my back at Palestinians and not stand up for them however I can.

Pennina · 27/11/2023 22:13

It is sad chaitales and I am glad we've another pause. Small steps I know.

Ixxy1980 · 27/11/2023 22:21

This picture was taken by Motaz Azaiza yesterday in Gaza. Seeing those little babies’ smiling faces and praying my hardest that the cease fire will lead to a permanent end to the bombing so that they can live.

Itsaharddlife · 27/11/2023 22:25

Chaitales · 27/11/2023 22:11

There have been a few times when I have wanted to unfollow, change channels, ignore the live streams, pretend it's not happening

But it is. We only have to confront from our living rooms, but Palestinians are living through it. I don't want to kill my humanity and empathy by pretending it doesn't happen, nor do I want to turn my back at Palestinians and not stand up for them however I can.

This is exactly how I feel.
There are days I want to just switch off but then I feel guilty because those poor people In Gaza do not have the choice to simply turn away from this and pretend like its not happening. I think the least we can do is learn and educate ourselves on the situation from the comfort of our homes.

MercanDede · 27/11/2023 22:45

We do need to bear witness. The reason my sleep is disturbed is because I have PTSD from working in war zones as a civilian.

Being able to switch off or not know the full human cost of what you see on a screen is a privilege. If it’s no different from a film about a war with actors other than knowing on an intellectual level “this is real”, then that is due to not ever to having been in war.

It’s not so different from how many rape survivors cannot watch a rape scene in a film much less footage of a real life rape and not be deeply affected by it or be unable to watch the whole scene/footage.

AutumnNamechange · 27/11/2023 22:53

Itsaharddlife · 27/11/2023 22:25

This is exactly how I feel.
There are days I want to just switch off but then I feel guilty because those poor people In Gaza do not have the choice to simply turn away from this and pretend like its not happening. I think the least we can do is learn and educate ourselves on the situation from the comfort of our homes.

It sounds like the OP has educated themselves though , so why do they feel the need to stream horrific images? I support a ceasefire 100% but I haven’t felt the need to constantly look at what another poster succinctly described as ‘war porn’ I don’t see how that is helping anyone; and is clearly affecting the OP’s mental health- they are not helping anyone by martyring themselves like this.

MercanDede · 27/11/2023 22:56

I agree it’s not good to constantly look at the stream of news. I limit myself out of necessity. I probably have seen less than the average person given my background. We do need to stay aware but also protect our own mental health.

Itsaharddlife · 27/11/2023 22:59

MercanDede · 27/11/2023 22:45

We do need to bear witness. The reason my sleep is disturbed is because I have PTSD from working in war zones as a civilian.

Being able to switch off or not know the full human cost of what you see on a screen is a privilege. If it’s no different from a film about a war with actors other than knowing on an intellectual level “this is real”, then that is due to not ever to having been in war.

It’s not so different from how many rape survivors cannot watch a rape scene in a film much less footage of a real life rape and not be deeply affected by it or be unable to watch the whole scene/footage.

I'm sorry to hear this. I wish I could help you but I haven't a clue how. I don't think it helps when people are accusing one another of being dramatic etc.
I hope you're ok

MercanDede · 27/11/2023 23:04

Still, it doesn’t take alot of exposure to the news know or imagine what it’s like on the ground for defenceless children. Being sensitive to that and feeling emotional about it isn’t anything anyone should mock someone else for feeling, and unfortunately that is what a few posters were doing. It’s one thing to say out of concern, perhaps you should limit the times you check the news and avoid footage and quite another to post 🙄emojis and comment about being dramatic or clutching pearls. Not very nice is it? When all some of us are expressing is that war is distressing. I can guarentee that any war is distressing to those who are sensitive to it. The ongoing attacks in the Ukraine war including the drone attack yesterday on Kyiv are just as bad as are the photos coming out of Darfur of more mobs calling another ethnicity animals and saying die like pigs or the bus loads of Armenians fleeing another ethnic cleansing or the uptick in lethal violence of native Americans being shot in the street for peacefully protesting seizure of their tribal lands for mining or logging and so on. It never ends.

MercanDede · 27/11/2023 23:05

Itsaharddlife · 27/11/2023 22:59

I'm sorry to hear this. I wish I could help you but I haven't a clue how. I don't think it helps when people are accusing one another of being dramatic etc.
I hope you're ok

Thank you, but I have good mental healthcare and medication for when my sleep is disturbed.

Parkingt111 · 27/11/2023 23:09

@MercanDede you sound like a kind caring and empathetic person and the world needs more people with compassion. Please ignore the unhelpful comments directed at you

Ibizafun · 27/11/2023 23:18

roarrfeckingroar · 27/11/2023 16:07

When are Hamas planning to release the rest of their hostages? And stop firing rockets into Israel?

Surely this is a valid question?

Ibizafun · 27/11/2023 23:23

roarrfeckingroar
When are Hamas planning to release the rest of their hostages? And stop firing rockets into Israel?

"Oh come off it. Everyone can now see this isn't about hostages. It's about Israels incessant land and power grab and seeing Palestinians as less than human, just blood spilled for the extension of the state."

Oh come off it. Everyone can see October 7th was nothing about land- it was about killing Jews and that alone. There is NO excuse, no buts for that kind of sick barbarism.

Pennina · 27/11/2023 23:36

MercanDede · 27/11/2023 22:45

We do need to bear witness. The reason my sleep is disturbed is because I have PTSD from working in war zones as a civilian.

Being able to switch off or not know the full human cost of what you see on a screen is a privilege. If it’s no different from a film about a war with actors other than knowing on an intellectual level “this is real”, then that is due to not ever to having been in war.

It’s not so different from how many rape survivors cannot watch a rape scene in a film much less footage of a real life rape and not be deeply affected by it or be unable to watch the whole scene/footage.

My apologies.

I hope you are ok. Pg things will improve on both sides.

Parkingt111 · 28/11/2023 08:55

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Almost 100 freed Palestinians 'were never charged
more than half of those Palestinians released from Israeli jails in exchange for hostages were never charged

Some 98 of the 150 prisoners freed were detained without charge, according to the news site.

Yes some have committed crimes. But almost 2/3 have been detained without charge. And there are many many more like that

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