Detainees, Truce and Agreements *title altered at OP's request*

[stormy4319trevor]

Continuing broad discussion of the release of detainees, hostages and prisoners and the agreements around this.

Unbelievable that you are not demanding the release of the hostages which would bring a ceasefire?

What do you really want? Do you really want a ceasefire then? Because that's all that Hamas has to do.

Why no debate about that???

@efacsen Families have said they would prefer a ceasefire to release their loved ones.

Oh I give up.

Hamas are stopping the ceasefire. Take out your ire on them.

Your BBC article states that Israel will not stop the war until they have achieved all their goals. Clearly, only they know what they are. It does not say that releasing all hostages will bring a ceasefire. Obviously, Hamas should release all the hostages now. But, for reasons only they can know, they are not.

@floodlightonwhatisright before the last ceasefire Netanyahu said that the war would continue even if the hostages are released.

Ofcourse I agree with you that the hostages should be released immediately but I'm not sure if releasing them will mean that Israel will cease its military offensive.

Right now Hamas is saying if there is a ceasefire, we will release the hostages. Ofcourse there's also the question on how many hostages remain that they can release and it's only in their best interests for them to disclose this I think.

I'm not sure if Netanyahy is saying that if you release the hostages we will have a total ceasefire as the aims of the war would still be incomplete according to him. That's from what I have read and if I'm wrong then happy to be corrected

@stormy4319trevor ditto
Just read your reply

Getting the hostages back is a tiny part of this and if it involves in effect patting terrorists and kidnappers on the back it is not even morally laudable in my view. Stopping Hamas forever to protect the 9m+ citizens of democratic Israel is the main aim or should be for Israel.

Reading comprehension not your thing is it. I never said that. You appear to read what people say and then misinterpret it.

Pointless engaging with people who do that.

Netanyahu said from the very outset that the hostages are 'not a priority'

And twice he has had to back-track because of the weight of public opinion in Israel

Israeli government using these poor hostages as pawns is no better than Hamas doing the same

apple.news/A7nXuYpp4TFGn-QAC6Dg1hA

@Efacsen you might find this interesting. Not all hostage families feel that way.

It's not the weight of public opinion as far as I am aware and the way people feel about Israel and going to war is talked about on the AMA from someone actually there and Israeli.

I really don't think you should be speaking on their behalf's via the super bias Al jeezera.

Yes agreed.
Hostages back first then ensure Israel's safety against further terrorism.

The article is behind a paywall

apple.news/A7nXuYpp4TFGn-QAC6Dg1hA

Will try again...

I saw the headline @Stomacharmeleon 'I love my son, but I love Israel more,' I think that's a personal point of view, but there are many mothers who love their children more than anything else, and who would find it hard to understand loving their country more than their children. The rest of the article is still behind paywall though, so I didn't get the whole story.

Two different agencies representing hostage families are lobbying for their competing paths. While the main forum campaigns for hostages negotiated release, the other, Tikvah, is doing everything it can to prevent another deal.@stormy4319trevor

It talks to more then one hostage's family and is more than just one families opinion. This is a section pasted to show the intent of the article.

It still doesn't work but I found this which briefly mentions tikvah at the end of the article
This is on the times of Israel

From what I understood they also want a release but on different terms as they see the current ones as defeatist

https://www.timesofisrael.com/freed-hostages-urge-release-of-those-still-in-gaza-but-not-all-parents-agree-on-price/

Tikvah parents are not opposed in principle to an exchange with Hamas, he said.
“To me, ‘deal’ is not a dirty word. I don’t oppose making one in principle. But it needs to be a deal where we emerge on top,” said Mor, who on Saturday spoke about the subject before some 80 people in the town of Meitar near Beersheba.

It doesn't mention what terms they want though @Stomacharmeleon do you know?

The resolution hasn't done any good so far
In the last 24 hours there has been bombing in many parts of Gaza
Plus they keep asking already displaced civilians to keep moving to different places even though the other places are still being bombed

“The more that we have these evacuation orders that the Israeli authorities continue to issue…we will see an exodus of people continue to search for safety, search for shelter… The combination of the war and the siege and the lack of availability of basic supplies including food has led to… unprecedented levels of hunger and starvation.

@Parkingt111 at one point in the 'diplomacy' there was a review of the progress of increasing aid after 20 days - do you know if the review made it into the final draft of the resolution? Otherwise it'll just carry on like this

@Parkingt111 I will try and find out.

@Efacsen I found this

Determines that the Coordinator will have the necessary personnel and equipment in Gaza, under the authority of the United Nations, to perform these, and other functions as determined by the Security Council, and requests that the Coordinator report to the Security Council on its work, with an initial report within 20 days and thereafter every 90 days through 30 September 2024;

It doesn't mention about increasing the aid after 20 days so that might have been changed in the final draft

@Parkingt111 sorry that's my poor English - 'facilitating' would have been a better word than 'increasing'

Thank you for finding that

So it sounds like there will be some kind of progress report after 20 days

Well you quoted me and then posted what you did so not sure what inference I'm supposed to take from that? Feel free not to quote me if you're not referring to me in future.

apple.news/AXBVhAoUGTMqYTHbA11s1MA

Cameron talking about Iran and their actions not being 'tolerated'.

I don’t believe so. Israel offered a 1 week humanitarian pause in return for the rest of the hostages. Hamas has said no hostage release until there is a ceasefire, meaning a sustainable and lasting end to the war.

Hamas has refused a 1 week humanitarian pause
Israel has refused a ceasefire