Detainees, Truce and Agreements *title altered at OP's request*

[stormy4319trevor]

Continuing broad discussion of the release of detainees, hostages and prisoners and the agreements around this.

The original Hostages thread has been converted to provide a space to discuss Israeli hostages only. I started this thread for anyone who also wants to talk about the agreements surrounding this and the release of Palestinian detainees and prisoners, as well as hostages and any other topics thought relevant! @reallifelurker @readingallnight - you may be interested.

The Red Cross has confirmed the handover of 17 hostages, so going smoothly so far and no more issues with breaking agreements, it seems.

Hello

I don’t really know that much about the prisoners who are being released but I was reading some articles on line and a lot of them so seem to be children (or least younger than 17)
Some of them are listed in this article here

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/11/24/who-were-the-palestinian-prisoners-israel-released-on-friday

I find it quite disturbing to be honest. Apparently children can be locked up for 20 years for throwing stones (that’s assuming they aren’t just shot)

Thankyou @stormy4319trevor
I herald the comment made by Thekirit on the previous thread.
Segregation breads hate.

Thankyou for starting the thread, maybe those who care for all mankind can speak here on mumsnet without being ‘shouted down’.

We watch and wait in hope that those who have been suffering in jail are released.

@Reallifelurker So nice to see their names! I do worry about what has happened to them, after the Save the Children report. They must be completely traumatised.

I was hoping Ahmad Manasra, and similar, would be released given what he has been through and his current situation.
Despite Amnesty International calling the Israeli Govn to task on his treatment. However, given he is now an adult after being licked up for so long I think it’s very unlikely
So so sad

So nice to see their names! I do worry about what has happened to them, after the Save the Children report. They must be completely traumatised.

Yes, that report was painful to read. But people on the other thread would say we were “pushing an agenda” if it was mentioned 😕

God forbid they have to face up to the fact the detainee's are not all just bomb throwing headband wearers who we can pretend were given a fair trial.

@Readingallnight That's a terrible case. He was just there and didn't do anything. Palestinians in the WB seems to have no legal rights whatsoever,

I don't see how people can dismiss the concerns of children's charities and not even want them investigated. Well, I suppose it's possible if they don't see the children as human, but that's alarming to contemplate. I am glad and touched to see the child hostages being freed, though I wish they all were. I don't understand people who have no compassion for children because of their colour or creed.

If everyone was given a fare and open trial and a legal representative as is the case in most countries we would accept the judgements of Palestinians currently serving time in Israeli jails.
But they are not.
So, without proof or prejudice I feel it is only right that their freedom and the right of it should be respected by all.

Putting kids on trial
In a military court mind you

“Systematically denying people their right to a fair trial is a violation of international law, and Tamimi’s experience mirrors countless others, including children who receive the same treatment as adults.
Israel, after all, is the only country that routinely puts children on trial in military courts, and it even established the “first and only juvenile military court in operation in the world,” according to a report by the United Nations.”

https://www.vox.com/world-politics/2023/11/22/23972908/palestinian-prisoners-israel-administrative-detention

As a Christian, and as the song goes

“And the creed and the colour and the name won’t matter I’ll be there “

Thanks @Reallifelurker
I had no idea Israel was the only country that did this.
I find that incredibly worrying that it stands apart from others and for song long without condemnation.
Maybe this war will highlight the situation more amongst the International community.( Or maybe people will continue to hide their heads in the sand. ).

If everyone was given a fare and open trial and a legal representative as is the case in most countries we would accept the judgements of Palestinians currently serving time in Israeli jails.
But they are not.

Yes, this is the problem. If there was a fair trail then we could just trust that the people detained by Israel were guilty as charged. It sounds almost like the IDF assume Palestinians are guilty of something so just lock them up.

Agree.
Most countries require proof of guilt not proof of innocence.

I don't see how people can dismiss the concerns of children's charities and not even want them investigated. Well, I suppose it's possible if they don't see the children as human, but that's alarming to contemplate

It is indeed. I prefer to think of them as being in denial.* *

Just reading the UN report. Taken at night, house smashed up, beaten, blindfolded, hands tied, deprived of toilet, food, water, interrogated alone by hostile adults - it does cross my mind these kids might confess to anything.

Hey
Long time lurker, not much of a poster

Sad to see segregation on Mumsnet !
Assuming it won’t happen here at least and we can be happy for all those brought to safety.
Im trusting you guys

👏👍
absolutely!

Sad to see segregation on Mumsnet !
Assuming it won’t happen here at least and we can be happy for all those brought to safety.
Im trusting you guys

Yeah* *trouble with separating threads like this is you run the risk of them just being echo chambers because you’ve actively exiled everyone saying things you don’t want to hear.

But yeah, we’re happy for all those who have been allowed to return to their homes, both Palestinian and Israeli 👍🏻

Absolutely.
But unfortunately the insults being hurled was beginning to get unbearable.
I agree informed discussion is what MN is about, unfortunately not everyone wants ‘informed’ discussion.

Even, it seems, in a democracy.

But unfortunately the insults being hurled was beginning to get unbearable

I tend to just throw insults back though I’m trying to be slightly better behaved these days. But yeah they weren’t interested.

I found another report. This one by Amnesty International.

“Administrative detention of Palestinians had been on the rise throughout 2023, reaching 1,319 on 1 October 2023, according to HaMoked.

As of 1 November, this figure had increased to more than 2,070 Palestinians detained and held in administrative detention. Palestinians classified by Israel as “security inmates” are often held without charge or trial, mostly under administrative detention orders that can be renewed indefinitely every six months.

Administrative detention is a form of detention under which individuals are detained by state authorities based on secret security grounds that the defendant and their lawyer cannot review, effectively circumventing due process guaranteed for all persons deprived of their liberty under international law.

Amnesty International has found that Israel has systematically used administrative detention as a tool to persecute Palestinians, rather than as an extraordinary and selectively used preventative measure”

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-horrifying-cases-of-torture-and-degrading-treatment-of-palestinian-detainees-amid-spike-in-arbitrary-arrests/

I hope it's useful to have this thread. Glad to see 4 year old Abigail was released, bless her. Now wondering when Palestinians will be released. Seemed quite low key yesterday. Only saw a few names and a couple of short videos in Guardian yesterday, with no details about their lives.

@Reallifelurker The administrative detention system really takes away any chance of a fair legal process. If you don't know what you are being charged with, how can you defend yourself?!

It seems the babies haven’t been released. I wonder if they are being held in a hospital somewhere else.