Detainees, Truce and Agreements *title altered at OP's request*

[stormy4319trevor]

Continuing broad discussion of the release of detainees, hostages and prisoners and the agreements around this.

Little is being said of the conditions in Israeli jails although the International community is well aware of this already

One boy released stated “ degraded treatment and tragic conditions”
Another lady commented “ what young girls are going through every day no one wants to talk about “

Its clear they have been told they are not allowed to speak of anything or they could be re arrested maybe along with threatening family members with the same. Let’s face it They are be keeping quiet because they want to.

Meanwhile released Israelis are also not allowed to speak. Not yet anyway!
Thais released stated they were well, treated well etc and slept on mattresses.

Ah, OK. The deal would be 'pause' in return for 10 hostages per day. I think it's likely that more people are being detained than released in WB, and the aid given was short for at least the first two days - not sure what it's been like since.

No gas has reached Northern Gaza at all during the ceasefire but 61 trucks of aid were allowed in after the release was delayed.
Theres also very little recent news on aid other than the UN commenting if more food doesn’t reach the Palestinian people they will starve to death.

( Disappointing to just see that at 19.08 last night this thread was called antiemetic by a poster on another thread. Shame on them!)

Typo. Anti-Semitic

I think it’s most likely that the Israeli hostages are not speaking at the request of the Govt as the truce is so fragile . It may even be part of the deal. Words matter right now and less is definitely more.

Yes, definitely some information gaps. I didn't see the thread was called anti-semitic, but I wonder why? I may have missed something, but I don't think I have seen anything like that. Is it my thread title or something?

Never mind, MN can decide and I encourage anyone to report posts/threads they are concerned about, The thread was started in response to requests and was meant to be helpful and considerate of all.

I think some posters want to talk only about Israeli hostages. I really don't understand this mindset. What these families have gone through is exactly what Palestinian families are going through albeit for a much longer period of time. Can you imagine your 14 year old locked up for years without charge being subjected to absolutely horrific treatment. A mother imprisoned missing out on years of precious time with her children who are growing up without them. Palestinian lives matter too.

@Rachna83 I think it's OK to have a thread for talking only about Israeli hostages, and there is one. It's important to respect the space for that. But I think some people wanted to discuss connected issues - such as agreements around aid, the release of Palestinian detainees and prisoners, and the effects of the situation more broadly. Hence this thread. People can not always care about things equally, especially when personally affected. I do agree that any child suffering at the hands of adults is abhorrent, and it should not matter what their ethnicity, religion or place of birth is.

The thread title and Opening posts mentions that this thread is to discuss detainees, hostages and agreements
I think that's where the confusion has come in
As its not clear that its to specifically talk about the Palestinians who are being released.
So somebody who comes across it and doesn't know why it was created wouldn't really know this

@Parkingt111 I gave it that title because people wanted to talk about both the release of Israeli hostages in exchange for Palestinian prisoners/detainees. They also wanted to discuss the agreements around this exchange. These issues were not welcome in the continuation of a thread which had previously discussed all these issues. It seemed to cause issues, so I started this thread. People saw all these topics as interconnected. But you are very sensible, so if you think something should be changed I will listen.

Is it not?

Detainees = Palestinian prisoners

Hostages = People kidnapped on 7th October

Agreements = Negotiations about both

That is how the title reads. If it is just about Palestinian prisoners then yes you do need to ask mumsnet to change the title. Else people are going to not get what the thread is about. Though I can't see that at the moment one conversation can happen without the other two conversations. They are all very much connected. I suppose if you want to talk about the history of the people involved or something it may need a separate thread like this one though

@stormy4319trevor oh no I wasn't implying it should be changed or anything like that unless that Is something you wanted to do
I was just pointing out that as the title mentions all three things that's why I think all three are being discussed

@Trulywonderful @Parkingt111 I'm not used to creating threads! I'll have a think, and if anyone wants to make suggestions, please do so.

I think this thread is much needed. There has to be a willingness to look at the wider picture and this means asking or acknowledging some difficult truths. Some posters would prefer a black and white narrative that suits them and when that doesn't happen and posters point this out throw their toys out of the pram.

Though I can't see that at the moment one conversation can happen without the other two conversations

Well I did try and argue that on the other thread but any mention of anything other than Israeli hostages was met with a frosty response. You know how it is.
Since there is a whole other thread dedicated to the Israeli hostages the Palestinian detainees being the main focus of this thread makes sense although mention of hostages is of course not forbidden 😉

That's the thing - you can't discuss in detail any of the thread topics without the other. I have to do something else now, maybe it will be clearer by the evening!

Probably because they are speaking a lot about the little children. It makes people more sensitive if people change the subject onto something else. However most the time all three things can only be spoken about together.

Basically you guys need to decide if you want to talk about everything or mostly just the prisoners release. I can see merit in the conversation of both as threads.

Please note the below update is a possibility and not yet confirmed. But one that I am praying goes through

Egypt and Qatar are close to reaching a deal to extend Israel’s truce with Gaza by two days, Diaa Rashwan, head of Egypt’s State Information Service (SIS) said on Monday.
The two-day extension would include the release of 20 Israeli hostages and 60 Palestinian detainees, Reuters reports he said. Eleven Israeli hostages are expected to be released on Monday.

No it wasn’t mentioned on this thread.
the accusation was made on the previous hostages 2 thread, now renamed Israel hostages 2 thread.

I haven’t seen anything like that on this thread.

Agree @Reallifelurker
everything is very much interconnected.
However if the post gets derailed, which it was last night, then I think a rethink is required.
There was so much ‘other’ going on last night there was no chance to discuss the issue related to Palestinians released at all after discussions made re : the Israeli releases.
Im sure many would have liked some discussion on this.
Personally, I for one, didn’t feel that I could change the subject.
When I tried to have a discussion on the previous hostages thread I was shouted down and basically told to shut up.

Thankyou@stormy4319trevor this is a well needed thread. Everyones views are warranted, all lives are important and no one should be victimised here….please everyone!

What about the title
detainees, ceasefire and Agreements…as a title

It extends the discussion to the ongoing agreements but allows for discussion within that framework of those released.
This could avoid arguments on whether some are more worthy of release than others and any potential derailments focusing on issues which can be discussed in detail on other more focussed threads.

Why now I wonder is the term ‘truce’ being used.
Should we be hopeful of more to come.
A truce is very different from a ceasefire.

I think the term truce is used as from the start it was made clear that it would be temporary (unfortunately) however I believe there is a push for it to become a permanent ceasefire but at this moment in time I can't see it happening

The US have just said more along the lines of Israel needs to take more care not to kill civilians if the truce ends but how effective is just saying that?

The Israeli military spokesperson said he sees the war continuing for another two months and I dread to think what would happen to the remaining civilians and the state of Gaza if that happens

Meanwhile
Good news
Fresh water has today been delivered to northern parts of Gaza. The first time since the ceasefire.
More aid needs to come in as the original promised amount hasn’t been met to date….maybe later today…we will see.