Israel has bombed the front of a hospital / 2

[Readingallnight]

Discussion re Israel’s bombing of hospitals, infrastructure and residential buildings

@Efacsen that's not good at all
They terribly need this aid. I hope that a compromise or an extra day of ceasefire is allowed so the full agreed amount for the four days can enter

I’m sure @Parkingt111 you clearly keep up to date and have sussed out the modus operandi of Netanyahu and crew to know that is never going to happen

Any idea where this was reported.
I can’t find it anywhere

IDK Biden said a longer period is going to happen in his speech tonight - and he's the paymaster

What Biden decrees usually happens even if somewhat watered down so Netanyahu doesn't lose face

Yes I saw that.
Based on hostage release only.
Thats the speech where he refused to mention anything about the Palestinians being released until he was actually asked about it.

So the already as promised aid if not delivered during the current agreed timeframe won’t happen unless Hamas agree more hostage release.

You're right most of the 500 lorries a day used to go thro the ?Erez crossing btwn Gaza and Israel

It's like a very neat behaviour modification programme

Clever stuff really

I’m afraid you’ve lost me there….🤯

@Efacsen recently Netanyahu hasn't been listening to him though which is abit worrying. He openly said a few days ago how the US was pressuring Israel on an issue and he refused. Il try and find the exact quote
Biden has hinted that after this war Netanyahu will probably have to go which gives him less of a reason to fully listen but I agree there is some degree of complying atleast

@Readingallnight yes it certainly raises alot of questions
The number of trucks of aid was a big part of the truce

Readingallnight it was reported on Aljazeerah
early this morning ,
its still there you just need to translate it ,

@Parkingt111

Wasn't he whining about being put under pressure about the hostage negotiations?

@Efacsen yes that aswell
But that pressure was there from within Israel too. Especially as the papers kept leaking that he was declining multiple hostage deals

Wasn't it both - the hostage families march then camping on his doorstep and Biden complaining about the humanitarian aid aspect of the hostage negotiations?

Yay.
Guessing it’s not in English or German 🤣
Thanks I’ll keep a look out

@Efacsen yes both combined

@Parkingt111 here's some not very encouraging news about the director of al Shifa

WHO says it has no information about status of al-Shifa Hospital director

Muhammad Abu Salmiya, the director of Gaza’s largest hospital, was detained by Israeli forces yesterday along with five other health workers while transferring patients to the south of the enclave.

The WHO said in a statement that two of the six have been released.

“We do not have information about the well-being of the four remaining health staff, including the director of Al-Shifa Hospital. WHO calls for their legal and human rights to be fully observed during their detention,” it said.

The agency added that the health workers were detained at an Israeli checkpoint “despite an initial agreement to only screen participants at the origination point in Al-Shifa Hospital”.

The Palestinian Health Ministry in Gaza had said it wanted an explanation from the WHO and would stop coordination with the agency on evacuations until they got a report explaining what happened.

I am stunned the ceasefire didn’t include the West Bank
Or did it and is the IDF just carrying on regardless.

Gunshots and Grenada’s being used !!!

The hostage negotiations mediated by Qatar resulted in the ceasefire agreement [and all the other things] between the governments of Israel and Gaza [Israel and Hamas]

The PA who govern the West Bank weren't party to the negotiations because they weren't involved in the hostage taking. And no hostages held in West Bank so a ceasefire there wouldn't help release the hostages from Gaza

Egypt and US were involved in some aspects of the negotiations [border crossing at Rafah and aerial surveillance respectively and maybe other things we don't know]

When Qatar announced the hostage agreement they were very clear that it was
-between Israel and Hamas
-only involved Gaza

Hamas could have made a ceasefire in the west bank a condition for releasing the hostages but either didn't ask for it or weren't granted it - secret negotiations and all that

Sorry that's a bit long-winded and over-complicated

Here is the IDFs response to WHO expressing concern about the director of al-Shifa - doesn't add much really IMO

Israeli military says ‘moving forward’ with questioning al-Shifa Hospital director

Israel’s military has said it is “moving forward” with questioning al-Shifa Hospital director Muhammad Abu Salmiya after the World Health Organization said it had no information about his wellbeing and that of three other arrested medical staff.

“We are currently moving forward with … questioning him over the fact that he was the head of a hospital that was really sitting on top of an entire terror network,” Israeli military spokesperson Doron Spielman said on Saturday.

“How could he not know what’s happening? We have hostages that were on, you know, CCTV in his hospital.”

Hamas and hospital officials have repeatedly denied Israeli claims that the hospital has been used for military purposes.

Israel’s military on Thursday confirmed that they were holding Abu Salmiya for questioning over evidence that the hospital served as a Hamas command and control centre under his management.

The WHO said earlier on Saturday it had no information about the wellbeing of Abu Salmiya and three other medical workers in detention while calling for their “legal and human rights to be fully observed during their detention”.

RE the state of remaining al-Shifa staff and patients

WHO did express their concern about this yesterday in a brief statement - said that they hadn't been able to visit again and see for themselves what is happening there and that communications were difficult

Not sure what the last bit means - ?ongoing problems with telecoms ?no identified person to liaise with in the directors absence ?IDF not being helpful

@Efacsen thank you for the update
So the last I read there was an estimate 100 critically ill patients with 2 or 3 health care staff

It seems like the WHO has not been able to get into contact with the remaining staff which is quite worrying. The patients remaining were also ones that had a risk of dying if the right care wasn't provided. I think a greater push should be made for the WHO to be allowed in Al shifa to atleast check up on the situation

Also in regards to Biden I read what I think you were referring to today. The comment he made about whether the US would continue with military aid?
I think if all the hostages are eventually released then the US will put their foot down for a full ceasefire. Netanyahu is certainly a liability for Biden. One that could cost him his seat in the next election

Found it.

Biden said that conditioning military aid to Israel was a "worthwhile thought, but I don't think if I started off with that we would have ever gotten where we are today."

It wasn't specifically that statement - we're obviously not privy to what really goes on in btwn Netanyahu and Biden - any leaning on Netanyahu will be done in private and any announcements made in a way that doesn't undermine/humiliate him publically - it was more to do with Bidens fairly outspoken stance on humanitarian aid

Modifications to Netanyahus rigid no prisoners taken MO eg total siege no humanitarian aid/no water, hostage negotiations/no ceasefire until all hostages are released - have definitely changed [not always as much as one would hope but....] following interventions by Biden

Maybe I do over-estimate Bidens influence but can't believe that he has no effect on Netanyahus actions

Completely agree someone WHO/UN/Red Crescent needs to go to al-Shifa and find out whats happening there

@Efacsen yes I'm with you there.

As its the second day of the truce I am more hopeful

Sky news has just put out a clip where one of the reporters has gone inside the indonesian hospital
It shows some of the damage it has sustained but also points out that some of the clips were too graphic to share