Israel has bombed the front of a hospital / 2

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Discussion re Israel’s bombing of hospitals, infrastructure and residential buildings

Again continuing to bomb the 'safe zone' South repeatedly

This is just from this morning

You think Egypt is allowing it? Is that actually a narrative?

That also again avoided answering the actual question too.
Egypt isn't allowing it incase you're not aware. But do you have any answer to the actual question?

@OpenLanes no, but let's be clear here, if Israel wanted to get civilians out of danger zones safely, they could do it immediately. As it stands, they are showing innocent civilians no mercy. They are bombing "safe routes" and refugee camps. They are shooting people dead as they try to leave, people who are waving white flags.

This isn't Egypts problem.

It's got nothing to do with Egypt. They are being dragged in.

If Mossad can find Nazis living in south America 20 years after the second world war ended then I'm sure that they can gather intelligence from the most surveilled place on earth, which happens to be on their doorstep, and carry out surgical strikes.

The amount of destruction and suffering of the civilian population in Gaza does not look like a precision operation.

You can’t expect people to simply accept these reports with blind faith when they’re being used as justification for what’s currently going on in Gaza.
It's difficult. We also don't want to get to the point where we say that unless there is photographic/video evidence of atrocities they haven't happened. Photos/video can be faked.

feralunderclass · Today 09:23
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The White House has said it does not support the targeting of hospitals”

The US continues to fund/arm Israel, though. This could stop tomorrow if they suspended their financing.

What you have just said is very interesting. For a second I thought you meant the Palestinians, who have been tortured, sieged, butchered for decades. What are they supposed to do?
Regarding what are Israel supposed to do, that is like locking the stable door after the horse has bolted. In the immediate sense, they should not be targeting protected status buildings. They should not be withholding water and food from several million people. They should provide shelter for the hundreds of thousands of displaced people.
In the longer term, they should abide by international law and agree to a fair two state solution.

Israel are being held responsible for events in the past, why is Egypt (and the uks) HUGE part in the past now being ignored?
Egypt weren't dragged into it when they were the aggressor.

Update on the guardian from a doctor inside Al shifa hospital

Since yesterday evening, there have been really continuous, aggressive gunshots, bombardments and attacks. It’s a totally scary time; it’s a horrible time for the families, the civilians sheltering in the hospital with their kids. It’s terrible for the staff who are taking care of their patients and the patients themselves.
Imagine being in a hospital where the water is not there, the basic hygiene of the people going to the toilet is a challenge. Food and drinking water haven’t come to the hospital for the sixth day now with no way of getting anything in the hospital.
What we feel is really shocking and bad is that the whole world has been witnessing this crime and seeing everything that is happening in front of everybody, and no one has stopped, and no one has said loudly this is not allowed. Where is the international community?
We are all within the building now; we can’t even check through the window what’s outside, we can’t get anything to eat or drink, we can’t get anything to our patients, and we can’t move between the buildings at all.

I think the worst part is exactly what the doctor said, for days they have been trapped and all the huge powers of the world watched on and did nothing to try and stop it or help them

@Parkingt111 horrific. On twitter there are circulating videos that say they are of IDF shooting at unarmed patients inside the hospital. They are being demanded to leave but apparently on leaving they are also being shot as they go out through the exit.

@OpenLanes perhaps the Israeli people should leave & find somewhere safe. If they feel so frightened & threatened that they think it's fine to bomb hospitals and kill premature babies.

I'm fairly sure Biden & Sunak would allow Israeli refugees into the Uk. (And fabulously they won't now have to go to Rwanda)

Perhaps we should be helping people in gaza to leave. Rather than all the Jewish and Arab Israelis leaving and leaving a terrorist group to rule gaza.

What I wouldn’t want is for my grief and pain to be used as an excuse for executing a revenge that rips even more innocent families lives apart and spreads hate and division through the world. I would want the focus to be on peace. I would want the people that committed the crime to be stopped and held accountable, but not at the expense of other peoples lives. What would the Israeli government do with terrorists living in their own country? Would they start blowing up their own infrastructure and schools?? Would they cut off the supply to their own hospitals??? Would they leave their own people to starve?? I would want to understand why they did this and what could be done to make sure it never happened again. I would be most afraid of having so much hate and anger that I become worse than the people that did this.

IDF Update - scanning the hospital for terrorist infra-structure

Gaza telecom companies warning total telecom blackout in coming hours

Hmmm

Correct, except that Israel had these attitudes long before October 7th.

Or some did - enough to create a critical mass.

They really like stripping people to underwear - saw this on news footage of people trying to head south. Isn't this torture?

I'm genuinely interested, in a non goady way, why people have expectations of Palestinians to forgive and forget decades of abuse/death/homelessness and then a genocide and they should "just want peace", but Israel "has the right to defend itself" and will up its "security measures" (ie oppression) and it's all necessary, and yet "they are a peace loving nation". I find this to be a most bizarre phenomenon, I know Israel and its allies have worked furiously to dehumanise and make the Palestinian nation synonymous with terrorism, but we can now see with our own eyes what is going on. You'd have to be lacking in understanding/mental capacity to go with the former narrative.

@feralunderclass
Wholeheartedly agree.
Even with all the social media’s many lies and harms, things can be seen that were swept under the carpet before. This sort of propaganda just doesn’t work any more.

@feralunderclass great post. it reminds me of this one I saw on Instagram earlier.

From

https://www.instagram.com/aaronjmate/?img_index=1

"If you are endorsing Israel's Gaza assault by declaring that Israel "has the right to defend itself", then you're also endorsing the Oct. 7th attack.

If Israel can slaughter civilians in the name of "defending itself", then Palestinians can too. They were ethnically cleansed in 1948 and have been occupied since 1967. Israel has refused to end the occupation and rejected the only diplomatic solution with international -- including PLO, Hamas and Arab states - support: an Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank and Gaza, and creation of a Palestinian state there. (A huge compromise for Palestinians in 22% of their ancestral land).

On Oct. 6th, Israeli forces and settlers had already killed 200 Palestinians this year alone (adding to a toll of tens of thousands since 1948). Occupied people have the right to resist military occupation.

Israel had the right to defend itself on Oct. 7th as Palestinian militants attacked it. But it's not Oct. 7th anymore. It's more than one month later, and Israel has killed thousands of Palestinian civilians, including 4,650+ children.

Israel has no right to commit mass murder in the territory it's illegally occupying.

Occupiers don't have the right to defend their occupation; they only have the obligation to end it. Which also happens to be the best way that Israel could defend its long-term security, along with everybody else's -- who have just as much of a right to security and self-defense."

And by posting that I am not condoning Hamas.