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Conflict in the Middle East

Ethnic cleansing

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beachcitygirl · 11/11/2023 18:27

Netanyahu has confirmed that Gaza will be occupied by Israel when the bombing stops, with no role for the UN.

Now tell me how this isn't ethnic cleansing ?

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SinnerBoy · 12/11/2023 12:30

On the subject of hostages, I assumed that Hamas would have wanted to exchange them for some of the Palestinian hostages, held by Israel. It's what they've done in the past.

Ecdysiast · 12/11/2023 12:38

SinnerBoy · 12/11/2023 12:30

On the subject of hostages, I assumed that Hamas would have wanted to exchange them for some of the Palestinian hostages, held by Israel. It's what they've done in the past.

Indeed @SinnerBoy . Here's an infographic of the people Israel is currently holding hostage. 160 of them are children :

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SinnerBoy · 12/11/2023 12:56

And many of them have their legs broken by "the World's most moral army." They get put before military judges, with no legal representation, after being forced to sign confessions in a language they don't understand.

ssd · 12/11/2023 13:02

Alcemeg · 12/11/2023 11:55

I don't enjoy reiterating gory details, but it seems they are forgotten or overlooked entirely. How do you think Israel should have responded to what happened?

Another "how should Israel have responded" post.

More trying to change the narrative, from the facts of what they did do and are doing, murdering over 10,000 people....to well, what would you have done then??

Whataboutery at its finest.

Alcemeg · 12/11/2023 13:27

Reallifelurker · 12/11/2023 12:26

So you're saying that the rapes, lootings, burning alive, mutilations etc were "obviously carefully planned and carried out by people who were organised

Yes?

So what do you think the civilians who repeatedly crossed the border were busy doing? Serving tea and biscuits?

ssd · 12/11/2023 13:34

Alcemeg · 12/11/2023 13:27

So what do you think the civilians who repeatedly crossed the border were busy doing? Serving tea and biscuits?

More questions, no answers..

thatone · 12/11/2023 13:37

No doubt the US and UK will support Israel's takeover of Gaza and annihilation of the Palestinian people. Israel will normalise relations with Arab states. Palestinians - what is left of them - will become refugees again. Israel will find some excuse to invade the West Bank. The US and UK will have s stronger foothold and ally in the Middle East so they can appropriate more resources, exert more power and increase influence to make themselves richer and give Israel a cut. Colonialism wins again.

WatTyler · 12/11/2023 13:41

The usual Hamas propaganda. That's not what Netanyahu actually said, or what Israel's plan is: 'He said at a news conference Saturday that Israel will not govern or administer basic services in Gaza after the war, but it will “continue to control security there,” and the enclave will otherwise be demilitarized.'
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/israel-hamas-war-gaza-hospitals-al-shifa-palestinians-rcna124737
But don't let the facts get in the way of your anti-Semitism.

Netanyahu says Israel will control Gaza security after war; Gaza’s biggest hospital ‘out of service’

Follow NBC News' coverage for live updates about the Israel-Hamas war: Gaza hospitals begin to shutter services amid loss of power and nearby fighting.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/israel-hamas-war-gaza-hospitals-al-shifa-palestinians-rcna124737

æterofax · 12/11/2023 14:33

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Reallifelurker · 12/11/2023 14:44

So what do you think the civilians who repeatedly crossed the border were busy doing? Serving tea and biscuits?

I don’t think the people who crossed the border were civilians.

Alcemeg · 12/11/2023 14:48

Reallifelurker · 12/11/2023 14:44

So what do you think the civilians who repeatedly crossed the border were busy doing? Serving tea and biscuits?

I don’t think the people who crossed the border were civilians.

Despite what Qanta Ahmed confirmed?

Xenia · 12/11/2023 14:53

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Reallifelurker · 12/11/2023 14:56

Despite what Qanta Ahmed confirmed?

Yes. I mean Hamas plan this terrorist attack that will be violence, murder etc but..you’re saying it was mostly the fault of random civilians who run through the bulldozed wall fence to commit very violent disturbed crimes (as you do).
Well what were Hamas doing then? While all this was going on?

bness · 12/11/2023 15:02

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The US did after 9/11 in invade Afghanistan

Everyone universally acknowledges that USs actions after 9/11 were an atrocity, particularly in Iraq. They illegally invaded a country under false pretext, killed over a million people and destroyed a country. Made a mess in Afghanistan too and created huge unrest in the region. Laugh it all off now as a "mistake" . Not sure that's a good example

stormy4319trevor · 12/11/2023 15:09

@Xenia Didn't know a country could have she/her pronouns? Sounds quite archaic.

Roste · 12/11/2023 15:34

So reading this thread it was originally Hamas that committed the unspeakable atrocities on 7.10 and use civilians as shields forcing Israel to indiscriminately slaughter Gazans. But now the narrative is shifting to it being civilians who murdered innocent Israelis.Is the next step to start stating murderous civilians are hiding behind Hamas who are hiding behind civilians so the IDF have to
bomb the living daylights out of everything that moves ? Batshit excuses for an army hellbent on annihilation so the government can claim the land with its oil and gas reserves.

upinaballoon · 12/11/2023 15:37

"Hamas has supplied rockets" - a sentence from a while back on this thread.

How does Hamas get the rockets? Are they manufactured in Gaza? If so, where do the raw materials come from? Do the rockets, or some of them, come into Gaza from outside? How do they get in, if that's what they do - on lorries which have come in from Egypt? Other ways?

There are so many threads that I cannot read them all, so I apologize if the answers to my questions have already been written. A few days ago someone - not on Mumsnet, - said, "Well, the rockets must come in through those crossings from Egypt", and it made me wonder. Have they been coming in from the Med as well?

EasterIssland · 12/11/2023 15:40

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Parker231 · 12/11/2023 15:40

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It’s not up to Israel to determine what they will and won’t do - that’s what has caused the ongoing conflict. It’s for the Palestinian people to decide.

Alcemeg · 12/11/2023 15:47

Reallifelurker · 12/11/2023 14:56

Despite what Qanta Ahmed confirmed?

Yes. I mean Hamas plan this terrorist attack that will be violence, murder etc but..you’re saying it was mostly the fault of random civilians who run through the bulldozed wall fence to commit very violent disturbed crimes (as you do).
Well what were Hamas doing then? While all this was going on?

Where on earth do you read that "it was mostly the fault of random civilians"?! This was a Hamas raid. But one in which, clearly, large numbers of random civilians are confirmed to have enthusiastically participated.

Reallifelurker · 12/11/2023 15:53

Where on earth do you read that "it was mostly the fault of random civilians"?! This was a Hamas raid. But one in which, clearly, large numbers of random civilians are confirmed to have enthusiastically participated.

I doubt it. But hey if the civilians are evil too why not just bomb the whole lot of them eh? Cos it won’t matter if they’re all as bad as each other Hmm

Desertrose2023 · 12/11/2023 16:14

Israelis admitting the forced mass displacement of Palestinians from the North of Gaza is the Nakba of 2023.

we all know the annexation is coming. ethnic cleansing was always the plan.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Czg_NGyLPW1/?igshid=MjhtaGtnNWs0ZnI=

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Desertrose2023 · 12/11/2023 16:15

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Every day is 9/11 in Gaza thanks to Israeli genocide.

Desertrose2023 · 12/11/2023 16:19

This poor woman, kicked out of her home by Israel in the Nakba of 48. Now having to live through the same indignity again in the Nakba of 23. 90 years old.

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Desertrose2023 · 12/11/2023 16:23

This poor family lost their baby along the way of their forced labor expulsion by Israel.

The family is having to leave on a donkey with all their worldly possessions. I hope all those trying to justify Israel’s actions on this thread take a good look at this baby’s face.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzjSY6GsMv4/?igshid=ZzE5b3JseWJjaWxs

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