Ethnic cleansing

[beachcitygirl]

Netanyahu has confirmed that Gaza will be occupied by Israel when the bombing stops, with no role for the UN.

Now tell me how this isn't ethnic cleansing ?

x.com/beckettunite/status/1723323988963688959?s=46&t=CDaDBOo42AUxl1VZxDymlA

What is your answer? What do you think will or should happen after a ceasefire?

Hinging it all on the hope Hamas will ‘fade away’ isn’t realistic

Yes, it is. The Sandinistas became the government of Nicaragua. The IRA are nowhere to be seen (huge caveats!). The ANC also government. The French Resistance aren't roaming the countryside.

But in the places which suffered brutal occupations and apartheid, the terrorists remained.

And talking about the Taliban shows immense ignorance. Afghanistan has had so many groups being the 'goodies' and 'baddies' according to so many proxy-war bad actors, you can't begin to decipher it without a PhD. Even less compare it to other situations.

I wouldn’t trust this. Even with the insults.

Would you stake your safety on them fading away?

Who had that belief? The UNHCR, HRW and Amnesty International have been ringing alarm bells for decades that the apartheid, blockade and oppression of the Palestinian Occupied Terrorities was creating food insecurity, high infant and child mortality, abject poverty with a strangled economy, that the regular bombings and bulldozing gave over 90% of children PTSD.

But yes, Hamas had no reason to continue to exist, life in the worlds biggest open air prison was a garden of Eden.[sarcasm]

Who had that belief?

The Israeli government arguably.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/how-israel-was-duped-hamas-planned-devastating-assault-2023-10-08/

Would you stake your safety on them fading away?

Do you have another solution which 100% guarantees safety for Israelis? Because I don't think you do. Which leaves choosing the least worst option, which is always what you have to do in complicated situations;

A) kill every Palestinian
B) kill lots of Palestinians and then allow Israel to occupy Gaza and the West Bank
C) stop killing Palestinians, stop taking their land, stop imprisoning their young people without trial, stop all of it, have the UN work with them on moving towards a solution. Get rid of the right wing nutters in Israel so there's a chance of meeting somewhere. Focus every mind on finding peace.

D) some idea you have that involves total safety and doesn't involve levelling Gaza and killing babies.

When I said safety I meant Hamas in Gaza not so much Israelis

Although I absolutely hope for their sake they never go through those barbaric atrocities again.

If they can create a stronger defence system and cut ties then it’s people left with Hamas at risk. Maybe they’ll ‘get x back’ as in pp with Taliban and similar lack of rights and inability to progress

Although the continued funding from Iran and other plus intention to destroy Israel would likely grow, so that relates to Israeli safety too

Yes, Iran is a big factor.

it surely was no coincidence that the Hamas attacks happened as Saudi Arabia and Israel were holding talks. Iran does not want peace and stability for Palestine, because it does not want Israel to exist.

Israel should have listened to the experts on this. They cannot say they were not warned.

Odd coincidence to happen 3 years apart as Saudi Arabia and Israel have been in these serious normalisation talks since 2020.

It was being reported that they were close to reaching an agreement.

Hamas has clearly said from the river Jordan to the sea, kill all Jews, what do you expect Israel to do nothing. This is a heartbreaking situation on both sides , I blame Iran for all of this they have trained and funded Hamas, they will do anything to stop Israel and Saudi from signing there peace agreement. Iran kill there own women and children , so normal Palestinians and Israeli getting killed means nothing to them , the Iranian government are just evil.

Yes they do

Hamas's Objective is the Slaughter of Jews and the Complete Destruction of Israel. To Argue Otherwise is Dishonest and Dangerous.

This is not what most Palestines want , no more then most Jews want normal Palestines to be bombed and killed.

Yet Hamas have stated intentions of wiping Israel off the face of the earth...isn't that ethnic cleansing too? There is no good side in this feud, which is why I find it odd people outside of this conflict taking sides.

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You might want to recalibrate your "Evilmeter" given the side that we're meant to cheerlead is systematically ethnically cleansing a people and bombing hospitals. Do you think that's a good thing?

Well how very dare I , there was me thinking I still lived in a county with free speech, we’re you could still look at both points of view. Sorry I did not realise I was now in Iran , we’re you get killed for not towing the government line.

I am to horrified at the suffering of the Palestinian people, I am also at a loss to not understand who Hamas has not given back the two hundred odd Jewish hostages it has so that the bombing might stop and peace talks could start. Hamas seems quite happy to use normal Palestinians as human shields.

its not ethnic cleansing, it’s called cleaning house. Israel needs to protect its citizens and unfortunately with those barbarians ruling over the poor Palestinian people that could never be possible.

Exactly. War when it comes down to it is always ugly. That people take sides when they are not directly involved is ugly in itself.

Exactly the only people that have proven they are definitely not up to the job are Israel with the IDF.

we also know for a fact they were unable to even protect their own people from Hamas so not sure with that track record why they should even be in the nominees!?