What is the deal with the violence in West Bank ?

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why does a mentally disabled child throwing stones deserve to be shot from 150 metres away ? The stones couldn’t have even reached them? They can’t possibly be fearing him, he is by himself, they are tons of them and they have cars and guns. How is this justifiable to all these people going on and on supporting a country where these things go on. How is this a country the west considers a democratic ally? How do these values reflect the values of the west?

I understand the outrage of parents wanting the hostages back but Fouads parents will never ever have him back.

The link is to Channel4 reporting Matt Frei

https://x.com/Channel4News/status/1722715554274783247?s=20

Wish this was true. Unfortunately, feels like West Bank will be after Gaza.

Blocking ambulances, detaining and assaulting healthcare workers, and apparently firing shots within a medical centre.

Attacking hospitals, assaulting healthcare workers, shooting in a hospital - it's all classic IDF.

I wonder what the reason is though? Unless they're hallucinating that Hamas are in West Bank hospitals now too?

Outrageous. I hope that's the end of it now. This is ridiculous.

Netanyahu and his cabinet are in full messianic mode.
I suspected something like this would happen after the Knesset voted to never allow a 2 state solution. The impotent response by the "International community" to Gaza means that they're acting with impunity and against International Law again.

It was never really about Hamas, the Palestinians simply by existing and failing to ethnically cleanse themselves after 80 years are and always have been the issue.

This is a war’: FM urges Gaza-style temporary evacuation of Palestinians in West Bank

https://www.timesofisrael.com/this-is-a-war-fm-calls-for-gaza-style-evacuation-of-palestinians-in-west-bank/amp/

temporary. Sure.

This is ethnic cleansing.

It's settler colonialism, this clip is from Channel 4 last night, this settler from Texas, not only says that "Colonialism gets a bad rap" but when asked what should happen to the Palestinians (who according to her don't exist) is happy to say that "Spain will take a couple of million". That she is comfortable saying this out loud speaks to how normalised Ethnic cleansing is.
https://x.com/SecKermani/status/1828511394704027757

Yes heard the Channel 4 news middle east correspondent talking about this on Irish radio today. It's got so brazen due to inaction by the west they clearly feel emboldened now.

Just been watching a clip on Instagram of massive attack talking about Gaza, not sure how to share Instagram clips (sorry I'm such a luddite) but worth watching if you're on Instagram.

It seems like a good time to highlight this this documentary from 2002/3 called "Jenin, Jenin" : Documentary about the 2002 deadly confrontations between armed Israeli soldiers and Palestinians in the occupied West Bank city of Jenin. Mohammed Bakri’s documentary “Jenin, Jenin” is a heart-rending depiction of the aftermath of Israel’s destruction of Jenin refugee camp in 2002, where every scene and interview is profound and distressing in equal measure."

Filmed over 20 years ago, here is a review from IMDB:

.....Through "Jenin Jenin", you'll take a stroll though the rubble. You'll listen to shattered people give accounts of brutal murder of their kin that are so horrid, you'll have trouble believing them because you cannot wrap your mind around such carnage being perpetrated by mere men. Except that at one point, you'll see footage apparently shot during the occupation -- footage of captives lined up on the ground and run down by an armoured vehicle. You'll see a young girl with a disturbing cold gaze, and come to understand just how deep her hate for Israel already runs. Ten years old at most, she pledges to do all she can to destroy Israeli lives.......

https://inreviewonline.com/2024/02/21/jenin-jenin/

Thanks for posting. I saw the clip earlier today and was in shock at how a young mother is casually talking about how millions of people should be ethnically cleansed. She also seems to be doing a major rewrite of the Nakba. She's a disgusting person and there's many more like her.

I had hardly begun to watch it and had to stop. That old man shot on purpose through his hand, then having fallen down from shock, told to get up but shot again on purpose through his foot!

He wasn’t just crying from pain and shock was he? He was crying because someone could want to do that.

In 2002 we were going about daily life while Israel was doing this sort of inexcusable thing . That old man was no terrorist.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8ergpxnd8xo

Thank you for sharing that Channel 4 clip.

It is so shocking to hear her.

I am glad the UK isn’t getting murderous matronly ‘returners’ like her back from America feeling entitled because of their ancestors and being given the right to come and kill or turn out people whose homes they want. As for illusionary ethnicity, her own will be as mixed and as much based on an ideology as any Palestinian’s, if not more so.

What an insupportable Israeli project this woman represents.

This is not true and is an extremist view.

I do think that those on the far right of Israeli politics have used the horrific events of October 7th to further their own agenda.

I think it is highly inflammatory to suggest that “the Palestinians simply by existing and failing to ethnically cleanse themselves after 80 years are and always have been the issue.”
Hamas’ actions on October 7th have radicalised Israeli society- they have sown fear and the Israeli far right are using that for their own political agenda.

Both Israelis and Palestinians need to feel safe and to feel they have a good future. There is nothing to be gained from demonising either side.

Settlers and their ideas existed before 7-10
if a far right is in power of the Israeli government is because before 7-10 there were already enough radicalised Israeli citizens that believed their ideas

7-10 hasn’t radicalised anything. It was already radicalised for a portion of the Israeli society

So explain the previous 70 years then? Why were they committing those atrocities? Decades before the Hamas attack.

According to the Israeli settlement watchdog, Peace Now, Israel has seized 23.7 sq km (9.15 sq miles) of Palestinian land this year, exceeding the total land seized over the past 20 years combined.

from
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/explainer-how-has-israeli-aggression-escalated-occupied-west-bank-october?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=Social_Traffic&utm_content=ap_vwlcrv5qoy

The persecution of Palestinians started long before October 7th.

From the father of Zionism Herzls 1896 book "A Jewish State" where :
Herzl proposed two possible regions for settlement – Argentina and Palestine – but recognized in Der Judenstaat that colonization in either would be difficult: "In both countries important experiments in colonization have been made, though on the mistaken principle of a gradual infiltration of Jews. An infiltration is bound to end badly. It continues till the inevitable moment when the native population feels itself threatened, and forces the government to stop a further influx of Jews. Immigration is consequently futile unless we have the sovereign right to continue such immigration."[9]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Judenstaat

With settler Colonial projects the largest problem is what to do with the native population. Palestinians were murdered prior to the creation of Israel via Ben Gurion's Plan Dalet and the Nakba:
https://www.1948.org.uk/plan-dalet-and-the-nakba/
In fact Ben Gurion famously wrote in a letter:
"Does the establishment of a Jewish state [in only part of Palestine] advance or retard the conversion of this country into a Jewish country? My assumption (which is why I am a fervent proponent of a state, even though it is now linked to partition) is that a Jewish state on only part of the land is not the end but the beginning.... This is because this increase in possession is of consequence not only in itself, but because through it we increase our strength, and every increase in strength helps in the possession of the land as a whole. The establishment of a state, even if only on a portion of the land, is the maximal reinforcement of our strength at the present time and a powerful boost to our historical endeavors to liberate the entire country".[9]

I'm extremely shocked about this poll from the 18th August 2024 where 65% of Jewish Israeli's do not want the Soldiers who tortured and raped a Palestinian prisoner to be prosecuted:
https://mondoweiss.net/2024/08/65-of-israeli-jews-oppose-criminal-prosecution-for-soldiers-suspected-of-raping-palestinian-detainees/

As for illusionary ethnicity, her own will be as mixed and as much based on an ideology as any Palestinian’s, if not more so.

Honestly can't believe I've just read this. What on earth @ScrollingLeaves ?

(And yes, that woman was awful).

Thank you for that informative post about
what Herzl said, and then what Ben Gurion said.

Is Ben Gurion considered to have been an extremist?

That is a shocking statistic about the poll regarding the rapists. Probably Israeli people have been told that every Hamas fighter on Oct 7 was a rapist themself and the Israeli people actually believe that.

Who knew that the people responding to the poll with this vote not to prosecute the rapists would sanction their own IDF to become sodomites, as expressly forbidden in the Old Testament.

Was that 65% polled from a representative enough group of the people, I wonder?

That 65% on the face of it is damning.

That 65% on the face of it is damning

It is shocking. Who would want to live in a society where rape is excused based on who is doing the raping and who is being raped. I would feel pretty unsafe as a woman.
It would be interesting to see who was polled and what was asked because I can't believe that percentage of people would hold those views.

I've posted a link to the survey in a separate thread. INSS consider their sampling to have been representative of the general population.

Most people have mixed ethnicity @79Helene including Jewish people like the woman in the interview who was immigrating to Israel. She would be unlikely to be an exception. But that aside her presumption that a Palestinian has no ethnicity (and therefore cannot be said to be ethnically cleansed), but she does, so she has a greater right there, is wrong imo.

She also clearly had an ideology centred around her sense of her rights as a Jewish person being good and belonging there while a Palestinian in Gaza would be bad, and need to know the error of their ways.

(She may have also share the ideology of some extremists in Israel that the land should all be theirs because it was promised by God. But she was not asked about that so the viewer cannot not know that.)