The cenotaph and poppy sellers

[LittleMooli]

Hi, would anyone mind explaining to me why the media seems to be portraying that remembrance commemorations are being targeted by pro-palestinian protests? I don't really know enough to know how the two things are linked.

Spurs are playing away at Wolverhampton, so at least that's one thing London is spared

But in terms of the demands on the police (separate from any Jewish angle) , both Crystal Palace and Arsenal are playing at home today (both 3pm kick offs)

The idea that these people have turned for anything other than a fight and are defending anything is hilarious. The only reason they are there is because they hate Muslims as much as they hate Jewish people. It’s all a bit the enemy of my enemy is not my friend.

Absolutely this.

At least try to make it sound more realistic 🥱

I am a Londoner of many years, and know plenty of people here who support the march, even if they are not joining it. They just don’t support violent protests, and also want the violence in Israel to stop.
The more peaceful protesters joining the march, the better.

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The UK government are not supporting Hamas though. I can’t believe this still needs explaining to people.

Whilst I am pro-Palestine, (and if it needs saying, anti-Hamas and pro-release of all hostages), I really feel for any Jewish people who view this march, as a march against them. In my eyes, it isn’t, and I’m sure in the eyes of many protesters, it is not. It is largely people who are traumatised by the death of more and more Gazans every day, and who want the UK/US-backed democracy of Israel to stop bombing Palestine. Of course there will be an antisemitic element there and I hope those kind arrested and ejected from the march asap.

But it must be pretty awful to be Jewish and feel persecuted whilst these marches go on.

I really feel for any Jewish people who view this march, as a march against them. In my eyes, it isn’t, and I’m sure in the eyes of many protesters, it is not.

And yet they'll look at the newspapers and see a photo - as I just did - of a protester carrying an antisemitic placard showing Netanyahu with devil horns. And there are hundreds of thousands of people happy to march with this shit. So your words sound just a little bit hollow.

Live news coverage also showing some Jewish groups within the protest marching for peace.

There seem to be a range of views, all co-existing and marching peacefully.

It's an absolutely massive demonstration. The head of it is at the US Embassy, but there are still people joining it at Hyde Park Corner.

I don't think it will finish on time - just too many people

The only arrests so far are 82 far right protestors; most/all at a pub on Tachbrook Street (which for people who don't know London is close to the Vauxhall Bridge Road part of the route)

FFS - more confrontations with the police in Parliament Square. EDF types again.

That's within earshot of the Field Of Remembrance

Can someone actually articulate just how they are "protecting" Remembrance by acting like little shits right by a key and normally solemn place?

What can I say? It’s hideous. And terrifying.

I support those who march because they want the bombings on both sides to end. And I also don’t want my Jewish friends to feel scared and unsafe. I don’t know how to make that happen.

And of course I don’t want anyone to feel scared by those ‘go back to your country’ chants.

So much hatred and vile behaviour around right now.

The day started so differently. The Lord Mayor's Show was a celebration of London and its diversity.

The Remembrance events are peaceful.

The Palestine ceasefire march today is peaceful (and massive) - and there are Jewish groups there, as well as the Hamas-leaning fringe (Met Police have confirmed they are seeking to identify a few wearing objectional headbands). Even the Jewish spokesman on SKY says it is right for the march to be going ahead (though he wishes elements within the demo were different). Not sure how representative he is.

The shits of the day are the EDF and others of their type.

They didn't need to protect the Cenotaph. That's the police's role, and the only people they've had to defend it from are the far right.

Right wing thugs are always shits. But that doesn't make the racist, antisemitic placards and genocidal chanting that is all over Twitter from the pro-Palestine march any less sinister. Not physically fighting with police doesn't mean that your intentions or your march are peaceful.

It's telling that anything calling for a free Palestine is automatically assumed to be anti semetic

Freedom for Palestine does not require the killing of all Jews and the destruction of Israel

Logic fails

But holding up a sign that says Palestine is twinned with Auschwitz is antisemitic. A placard depicting Netanyahu with devil horns and the words 'the puppet master' is antisemitic. Chanting for the destruction of Israel is supporting mass murder of Israelis. Wearing Hamas headbands is supporting mass murder of Israelis etc etc etc.

Firstly the vast majority of people are not doing anything that any sane person would view as calling for death to Jewish people

No the poster depicting the Israeli leader as evil is not antisemitism- it's a personal attack on the guy who has started this anhiliation

Not all Jews support his actions by a long way

I as to the poster lining Palestine to nazi German - there are Germans and Jews who do feel that the treatment today of the Palestinians is not far short of the treatment of the Jews in Germany in the 1930s and 1940s which is perhaps why they are highlighting the parallels - it's not to me saying Jews belong in auschwitch - it's saying what the Jews are doing today is like what was done to them in the past

Hamas is a proscribed organisation, and the Met has said they are seeking to confirm reports of the wearing of headbands/other insignia and then to identify and arrest. And that's totally right.

The vast majority in this vast demonstration are not doing any such things

More EDL types have been arrested today than the total number of arrests in all the Palestine marches to date.

Would somebody mind explaining to me why the same numbers weren't marching in the UK when Russia invaded Ukraine?

Because the UK government didn’t say they wanted Russia to win.

it's saying what the Jews are doing today is like what was done to them in the past

But it’s absolutely nothing like what was done to them in the past, though.

The Nazis were rounding up Jewish people all over the entire continent, transporting them on trains and directly exterminating them on an industrial scale in gas chambers.

There is no parallel. So as far as I can see, any attempt to draw a parallel serves simply to minimise one of the worst atrocities committed in living memory. I can see no other purpose of the comparison, because there isn’t one.

For the millionth time, because our Government had not sided with Russia!!!!

Oh dear someone didn't want their fireworks to be taken by the police. Wonder what these peaceful protesters were planning with these 🤔 ? A lovely, cosy, peaceful display at the end of the night with a round of Kumbaya no doubt.

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Besmirch that'll be because there were no heinous acts against defenceless babies to pre -emt that war

whataboutery… the number of death civilians is higher in Palestine in a month than year and a half in Ukraine

From 24 February 2022, which marked the start of the large-scale armed attack by the Russian Federation, to 10 September 2023, OHCHR recorded 27,149 civilian casualties in the country: 9,614 killed and 17,535 injured.

No the poster depicting the Israeli leader as evil is not antisemitism- it's a personal attack on the guy who has started this anhiliation

You simply don't understand the sign and why it's antisemitic. You should educate yourself so that you can avoid being part of the problem.