Israel has bombed the front of a hospital

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Israel has bombed the gates of the Al Shalha hospital.

Everyone knows displaced families are sheltering in and near hospitals.

What evidence is there to support these figures? Where do the figures come from?

No child should be dying in this conflict but if your government starts a war by invading and murdering over 1400 citizens, including children, of a neighbouring country and taking hundreds hostage, again including children, unfortunately this happens.

Do you think the disparity in the figures (unconfirmed independently obviously) might be because children are used as human shields in Gaza and government terrorist bases are placed in/next to schools and hospitals?

That despite constantly firing rockets at Israel even before Oct 7th, the Palestinian government didn’t bother to build bomb shelters for its civilians like Israel had to (and had to create the dome) but built 300 miles of underground tunnels for it’s terrorists to hide in and smuggle weapons through instead.

They put the children in harms way specifically to try to prevent Israel from retaliating to attacks and to create global outcry so they can carry on attacking Israel. How fucked up is that?

It’s been documented for many years.

Does this happen in Syria, Afghanistan or Yemen do you think? Incomparable really.

The only 'evidence' of this I have seen of this is the weird Minecraft type video thing that Israel showed as proof. All of the international Drs I have heard interviewed that have worked at the hospital have said that they have seen no evidence of Hamas using it.

It's looking more likely that this is just another lie that Israel tells to justify their genocide of the Palestinians.

What evidence is there to support these figures? Where do the figures come from?

Sources at the bottom of the graph

The world can see what is going on

Even Biden is not questioning the figures. Macron is saying you cannot kill children. The excuses you give are not enough anymore. Israels massacre needs to stop.

Okay (as I said before). Hamas want this cover as it suits their political aims, they do not care who dies and who doesn't.

If that was your family, if you had a modicum of sense you would not chose to base yourself there.

@WinterWarmth You've obviously fallen for the Israeli propaganda.

The genocidal maniacs on this thread are making me feel sick.

Zionist brainwashing is something else.

Recent history does not evidence this ‘it will be over by tomorrow’ in the slightest. In past ‘operations’(eg Cast Lead in 2008-9), wanton destruction by the IDF has always taken place in areas fully controlled by the army, where no fighting is taking place, where there is absolutely evidence of militant activity (unless you think even the livestock shot at with machine guns were, y’know, terrorists in disguise). The Israeli military actually intensified its attacks on infrastructure after ceasefire had been established and in the days before troop withdrawal.

The systematic destruction by the IDF of homes and schools, factories and farms, hospitals and mosques, is and has always been deliberately disproportionate and designed to terrorise Gazan citizens as much as possible. The IDF and Israeli political leaders have affirmed this in the past. Destruction = a key goal.

Just a brief scan of OCHA’s website tells you all need to know as they are quite clearly biased but the figures would have come from the Palestinian government not them surely?

A prescribed terrorist organisation who committed depraved acts on civilian men, women and children but I’m sure despite all that they’re telling the truth?

Something needs to happen now. Someone needs to stop the Israeli government. The world is going to watch them massacre people sheltering in a hospital. And then they’ll release a statement ‘we successfully killed a hamas operations chief’. And we’ll all go ‘ohhh, ok then, that’s alright’.

Fuck this. It’s like living a real life horror movie every day watching what they’re doing. Fuck everyone who says they have ANY justification in doing this. This isn’t war. It’s one-sided torture. I feel so desperately sad for the Israeli families waiting for the hostages to come back. They’re not coming back, their government never wanted them back.

I hope millions turn out for the marches tomorrow. And if our government do nothing, I hope that before they die, Palestinians see videos of us marching in the streets for them, and know that people saw their reality.

That’s the most straightforward and unvarnished expression of prejudice on any MN anti-Israel thread. Thank you for your honesty.

Jesus (speaking as an atheist here)!

I am going to assume this is sarcasm! In which case: I salute your acumen (but also, this is the internet, where actual nutters are par for the course ... mark satire as satire ...)

If you are, in fact, being serious: GET HELP!

Historically casualty figures from Gaza's health ministry have been accurate https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/26/can-we-trust-casualty-figures-from-the-hamas-run-gaza-health-ministry

The IDF have revised the death toll from 7th October to 1200 (20:27 update at https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-67364296)

Now why would Hamas terrorist bases be placed in hospitals when the IDF has repeatedly targeted hospitals in all its past assaults on Gaza? Doesn’t seem sharp military strategy to me.

I feel so desperately sad for the Israeli families waiting for the hostages to come back. They’re not coming back, their government never wanted them back.

That's awful, but why doesn't Israel want them back? What's the reasoning behind it?

Read up on the Hannibal Directive.

Ok, thanks, I'll go and look.

It also seems from recent reports that the IDF were responsible for some of those deaths.

Israel gave 24hr notice to the civilians of Gaza, then extended that deadline. Hamas told their citizens to stay put, so Israel did everything they could to inform them of the war that was about to begin. Tell me, when did Hamas show sympathy or compassion for the innocent Israeli's? Was it when they paraded a young girls naked dead body around streets? Or when they kidnapped children from their homes to hold hostage in Gaza?

Hamas uses innocent Palestinians as shields. As statistics for sympathy. Hamas hide in tunnels under these hospitals, for the same reason. Israel has every right to fight for its people. For the Israeli's that have been kidnapped, tortured, murdered and raped.

Palestinians are very much victims here, but they are the victims of Hamas NOT Israel. Its important to open your eyes, be open to learning the truth and not just follow trends. These are real peoples lives we are talking about.

Should the 11000 dead Palestinians and 1.5million refugees be grateful to Israel for liberating them? Get real.

You're kidding right?
Where do you suppose these displaced people should go? They've left their homes or their homes.are.being bombed so they are seeking shelter in the one place that has some life left in it and that hopefully won't be bombed, a Hospital!
And what does the fact that Hamas was elected ages ago have to do with whether it's right or not to kill thousands of people?? Do you think Gaza s deserve what's coming to them because ten years ago some of them voted for Hamas? Are you.kidding?

Israel’s military priority is not securing the return of the hostages. This is obvious by now. As in past assaults on Gaza, the goals are always retribution, destruction of civilian infrastructure and lives, displacement, but most of all, a reinstatement of Israeli deterrence within the MENA region.

The idea of Israel playing the role of ‘mad dog’, going crazy when attacked and defying all humanitarian laws, has been acknowledged by previous foreign ministers (eg Livni) as a deliberate deterrence strategy.

So that’s really what we should be discussing here.