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"But Israel gave them prime waterfront land!". A life in Gaza thread.

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feralunderclass · 30/10/2023 15:44

"But Israel gave them prime waterfront land, and they still wouldn't accept a two state solution".

A poster said this on another thread and I literally can't get this out of my head. It's probably the best (and worst) case of gaslighting hasbara I have seen on any of the threads.

Just incase anyone has the notion that Gazans were reclining on their sunloungers, admiring the sea views from their luxury penthouse apartments, this is a thread to discuss life in Gaza pre 7/10.

Some facts:

Gaza fact sheet

Humanitarian situation in the Gaza Strip Fast facts - OCHA factsheet

Fast Facts The population of Gaza is 1.6 million, with over 50% under 18. 38% of Gazans live in poverty. 26% of the Gazan workforce, including 38% of youths, is unemployed. The average wage declined by over 20% in the past six years.

https://www.un.org/unispal/humanitarian-situation-in-the-gaza-strip-fast-facts-ocha-factsheet/#

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WeeDove · 30/10/2023 15:47

They wouldn't accept anything.

ChickHenLittle · 30/10/2023 15:58

Ah the first reply... if you didn't laugh you'd cry. I do love a random statement with absolutely nothing to back it up.

Anyway, thank you, OP. Life in Gaza has never been easy. Even simply looking at a map, you see how isolated it is, even from the rest of the Palestinian territory.

flufferknutter · 30/10/2023 16:05

WeeDove · 30/10/2023 15:47

They wouldn't accept anything.

Let them eat cake eh? 🙄

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TwilightSkies · 30/10/2023 16:20

Finally people are starting to see the truth. About time!
When all this kicked off the pro-Zionists were on every thread shouting down anyone who had sympathy for the Palestinians and calling them anti-Semitic.
The tables are turning…..

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Reallifelurker · 30/10/2023 17:40

You do get comments along these lines and they are a bit silly. I saw one where the poster was bemoaning the fact Gaza could have had luxury hotels if only it had behaved. Now look at them - no water and no luxury hotels

As well as the ones who talk about making the desert bloom because Y’know those silly Arabs didn’t know how to use the land they’d been living in for generations.

The Israelis made Gaza lovely them Hamas smashed it all up. The Israelies smashed it all up before they left more like.

Anyway nice to get all that off my chest.

MissyB1 · 30/10/2023 17:46

It’s as if the scales are finally being lifted from people’s eyes, and the truth is now allowed to be told. For years everyone has tiptoed around the the Israeli government’s treatment of Palestinians, no one wanting to risk being labelled “anti Semitic” because that was always the threat.
As for the “it’s all their own fault” narrative, that reminds me of the people who blame the poor in this Country for being poor. As if they totally deserve it somehow.

Sausagenbacon · 30/10/2023 18:00

But you do know that hamas destroyed the water purification plant when Israel pulled out?

Chaitales · 30/10/2023 18:04

Thank you OP. This whole silly narrative of 2005 and freedom and nonsense is really tiring now. I wish people would just start even letting in a little wider information in their systems to think broader than just silly scream out whatever narrative they are led to believe.

iamnitongoogle · 30/10/2023 18:15

Reallifelurker · 30/10/2023 17:40

You do get comments along these lines and they are a bit silly. I saw one where the poster was bemoaning the fact Gaza could have had luxury hotels if only it had behaved. Now look at them - no water and no luxury hotels

As well as the ones who talk about making the desert bloom because Y’know those silly Arabs didn’t know how to use the land they’d been living in for generations.

The Israelis made Gaza lovely them Hamas smashed it all up. The Israelies smashed it all up before they left more like.

Anyway nice to get all that off my chest.

One poster said Gaza could've been like Dubai if they knew what to do with it.
People are ridiculous.

Sausagenbacon · 30/10/2023 18:16

But they did smash it up

flowofstate · 30/10/2023 18:37

Even before Israel’s latest campaign of bombing began two and a half weeks ago, Gaza was facing a multilayered water crisis. The territory had suffered decades of underdevelopment of water infrastructure.

Gaza has never been integrated with Israel’s mains water system. Instead, in times of relative calm, 80% of Gaza’s water came from a part of the coastal aquifer, a massive geological formation that stretches along the eastern Mediterranean coast from northern Egypt through Gaza and into Israel. A further 7% was provided by desalination plants, and 13% was bought from Israel’s state water company, Mekorot, according to Shaddad Attili, a former head of the Palestinian Water Authority.

Until the 1990s the aquifer provided the Gaza Strip’s inhabitants with drinkable water. But decades of over-abstraction have led to its contamination with sea water, and it is also contaminated with wastewater and agricultural runoff. Now 97% of this water no longer meets World Health Organization (WHO)
standards, according to the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics.

The repeated devastation caused by Israeli bombing and embargos on the materials needed to rebuild have left Gaza with a barely functioning piped water network. The solution for most people was a network of about 100 privately operated water desalination plants, according to a 2022 report by the Al Mezan Center for Human Rights. These would pump water from wells throughout the strip, treat it and sell it, at a price of about $7 per 1,000 litres, to customers who would store it in water tanks in their homes.

But even this water could pose a hazard. Only about half of these private desalination plants operated with a licence, Al Mezan reported. Chemical analysis by Gaza’s ministry of health in 2021 found eight out of 38 samples did not reach Palestinian standards. Microbiological tests found samples contaminated with coliform bacteria, including faecal coliform bacteria. In 2020, the UN Development Programme reported that 26% of all childhood diseases in Gaza were water-related.
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Many of these problems are a result of Israel’s longstanding occupation and blockade of Gaza. Crucial components for the repair and maintenance of Gaza’s fresh and wastewater networks, as well as for its desalination facilities, have been banned.

flowofstate · 30/10/2023 18:37

Above from the Guardian about the Palestinian water system

flowofstate · 30/10/2023 18:38

To the poster above who posted the "get back to gaza" film - I watched this the other day, really enjoyed it. There are a number of other Israel/Palestine ones on that channel that are also worth a watch.

SarahMused · 30/10/2023 18:40

Most Gazans live in abject poverty because it suits Hamas to keep them that way so the aid money keeps pouring in. Hamas use this money to build their terror infrastructure and to live comfortable lives themselves. If you want to see what Gaza looks like for Hamas supporters follow Imshin on X . They have been chronicling the luxury lifestyles of rich Gazans for several years. There are shopping malls, hotels, beach clubs, luxury restaurants and huge villas for those with money. It wasn’t a concentration camp by any means.

EasternStandard · 30/10/2023 18:40

TwilightSkies · 30/10/2023 16:20

Finally people are starting to see the truth. About time!
When all this kicked off the pro-Zionists were on every thread shouting down anyone who had sympathy for the Palestinians and calling them anti-Semitic.
The tables are turning…..

Are you the opposite of ‘pro Zionist’ and what does that mean for the existence of Israel?

Exist or not

saffronsoup · 30/10/2023 18:41

flowofstate · 30/10/2023 18:38

To the poster above who posted the "get back to gaza" film - I watched this the other day, really enjoyed it. There are a number of other Israel/Palestine ones on that channel that are also worth a watch.

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They do have quite a few good ones. This one is also good but not about Gaza specifically

Israel’s hard-line stance - Palestinian children tried in military courts | DW Documentary

More than 700 Palestinian children and young people are arrested every year by the Israeli army. Some are locked up for years, usually because they’ve thrown...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ceWshh_vFM

mollyfolk · 30/10/2023 19:08

Ha ha I noticed the prime water front land thing myself. It’s too ridiculous to respond to.

Here’s an Israeli based human rights company on Gaza and water. https://www.btselem.org/gaza_strip/20140209_gaza_water_crisis

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MrsTerryPratchett · 30/10/2023 19:27

Sausagenbacon · 30/10/2023 18:00

But you do know that hamas destroyed the water purification plant when Israel pulled out?

The OP has posted links. PPs have as well. Anyone who wants to make a valid point should as well. So that people's claims can be verified. Multiple, verifiable, balanced sources if possible.