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Conflict in the Middle East

The number of children killed in Gaza in 3 weeks is more than the total number killed in armed conflict globally last year!

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Ohlalalalala · 29/10/2023 15:14

https://www.savethechildren.org.uk/news/media-centre/press-releases/gaza-childrens-deaths-in-last-three-weeks-surpasses-total-child-#:~:text=The%20number%20of%20children%20reported%20killed%20in%20just%20three%20weeks,for%20the%20last%20three%20years.

The number of children reported killed in just three weeks in Gaza is more than the number killed in armed conflict globally – across more than 20 countries – over the course of a whole year, for the last three years.

Statement on children's deaths in Gaza | Save the Children

Children killed in Gaza in three weeks surpasses annual number of children killed across the world's conflict zones since 2019.

https://www.savethechildren.org.uk/news/media-centre/press-releases/gaza-childrens-deaths-in-last-three-weeks-surpasses-total-child-#:~:text=The%20number%20of%20children%20reported%20killed%20in%20just%20three%20weeks,for%20the%20last%20three%20years.

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Warsarecruel · 30/10/2023 14:25

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/10/2023 14:25

Ignore the sick fucks derailing with their "script". It keeps the thread in Active.

Who is a sick fuck?

Warsarecruel · 30/10/2023 14:28

Gruntsandgroans · 30/10/2023 14:20

Another well known deflection technique. But why do you care so much that Israel is slaughtering people, other people do it too? It must be because you are antisemitic.

The longer this goes on the more techniques Israel are going to have to come up with because it is all getting very predictable.

Where does it say I condone what Israel are doing? Can you quote any of my posts that say that.

I’m stating the hypocrisy of people.

flowofstate · 30/10/2023 14:35

Warsarecruel · 30/10/2023 14:24

How the fuck do you know that we did?
Off course we didn’t because we’re all led by propaganda.

It has relevance because whilst we condone Israel for their killing of innocent civilians, the UK and American army were doing the same to other middle-east countries, it’s hugely hypocritical.

How is that hypocritical? You don't seem to understand the meaning of the word "hypocritical'.

My govt might have taken us to war but I wasn't fighting those wars, I was protesting against all of those wars, but you've decided that nobody protested them, WTF?

Speak for yourself if you haven't taken a stand in the past.

Some proof of protests that took place, not that it's relevant here but in answer to your point:

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/millions-protest-iraq-war-february-15
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_war_in_Afghanistan

And in case it's not obvious to you, the army of the UK is not the same as the people of the UK. As a free country I have the right to demonstrate, debate and take a stand against the war like actions of my own country and other countries. And I am. And I have in the past. I am not the UK army and defense forces.

Your attempt to derail the thread with whataboutery is based in complete speculation and false narrative that guesses we didn't protest. In any case it's irrelevant.

Also in case you don't understand the meaning of whataboutery, as you clearly don't:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism#:~:text=Whataboutism%20or%20whataboutery%20(as%20in,which%20expresses%20a%20counter%2Daccusation.

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 30/10/2023 14:35

Warsarecruel · 30/10/2023 14:24

How the fuck do you know that we did?
Off course we didn’t because we’re all led by propaganda.

It has relevance because whilst we condone Israel for their killing of innocent civilians, the UK and American army were doing the same to other middle-east countries, it’s hugely hypocritical.

Are you fucking joking?

The largest demonstration in British history took place in London, on 15 February 2003, protesting against the Iraq war. Attended by almost two million people. Part of the largest ever international anti-war protest, with up to 30 million people demonstrating worldwide. Hypocrisy my arse.

flowofstate · 30/10/2023 14:39

@Judashascomeintosomemoney I don't think that @Warsarecruel has a good grasp of recent history, also apparently they have an amazing crystal ball and can tell us that we definitely "didn't protest".

Warsarecruel · 30/10/2023 14:44

flowofstate · 30/10/2023 14:35

How is that hypocritical? You don't seem to understand the meaning of the word "hypocritical'.

My govt might have taken us to war but I wasn't fighting those wars, I was protesting against all of those wars, but you've decided that nobody protested them, WTF?

Speak for yourself if you haven't taken a stand in the past.

Some proof of protests that took place, not that it's relevant here but in answer to your point:

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/millions-protest-iraq-war-february-15
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_war_in_Afghanistan

And in case it's not obvious to you, the army of the UK is not the same as the people of the UK. As a free country I have the right to demonstrate, debate and take a stand against the war like actions of my own country and other countries. And I am. And I have in the past. I am not the UK army and defense forces.

Your attempt to derail the thread with whataboutery is based in complete speculation and false narrative that guesses we didn't protest. In any case it's irrelevant.

Also in case you don't understand the meaning of whataboutery, as you clearly don't:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism#:~:text=Whataboutism%20or%20whataboutery%20(as%20in,which%20expresses%20a%20counter%2Daccusation.

Because whilst people are rightly speaking out against Israel and Hamas, UK and American leaders were bombing innocent civilians, we were once doing what we are here condoning, that’s the hypocrisy. I see you’ve just focused on protesting but that wasn’t my main point.

Gruntsandgroans · 30/10/2023 14:47

Warsarecruel · 30/10/2023 14:44

Because whilst people are rightly speaking out against Israel and Hamas, UK and American leaders were bombing innocent civilians, we were once doing what we are here condoning, that’s the hypocrisy. I see you’ve just focused on protesting but that wasn’t my main point.

What was your point then? I'm not from the UK or the US. I didn't condone anything. Do I get to call out Israel on their slaughter of 1000s of civilians then?

flowofstate · 30/10/2023 14:48

@Warsarecruel in case you missed it from my thread, who is this mysterious "WE" who were fighting these wars? You don't seem to understand my govt is not me.

And in case it's not obvious to you, the army of the UK is not the same as the people of the UK.

I was not and have never been in the army or govt. I have a right to protest what my govt and other govts have done. I do not identify myself with the UK govt's foreign policy. I am not carrying out or approving the UK govt's foreign policy.

If I had personally fought you might have a point. But I didn't. The UK Govt did which is completely different. AND I protested against it.

Your "point" is rooted in ignorance.

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 30/10/2023 14:54

usernamealreadytaken · 30/10/2023 13:45

IDF isn't indiscriminately bombing anywhere; their missiles target Hamas. Why not admit that Hamas are a bunch of "word which would probably get me banned" hiding under children?

Hamas? Like the 18 people killed in the Church of St. Porphyrius compound? All but one of whom were Palestinian Christians, four of whom were children, killed whilst in the Greek Orthodox Church in Gaza City. That represents 2% of the tiny number of Christians remaining there. The IDF even admitted they were targeting a nearby building. Oh well, that’s alright then. What the fuck is that if not indiscriminate? The IDF might not succeed in driving all of Hamas out of Gaza but they’re having a good try at ensuring the last of the tiny Christian population fuck off forever.

Warsarecruel · 30/10/2023 14:59

flowofstate · 30/10/2023 14:48

@Warsarecruel in case you missed it from my thread, who is this mysterious "WE" who were fighting these wars? You don't seem to understand my govt is not me.

And in case it's not obvious to you, the army of the UK is not the same as the people of the UK.

I was not and have never been in the army or govt. I have a right to protest what my govt and other govts have done. I do not identify myself with the UK govt's foreign policy. I am not carrying out or approving the UK govt's foreign policy.

If I had personally fought you might have a point. But I didn't. The UK Govt did which is completely different. AND I protested against it.

Your "point" is rooted in ignorance.

Not ignorance, I’m stating we were once in Israel’s position where our leaders were supportive of bombing innocent civilians.
Do you think we should have gone to war to remove the powers of ISIS and the Taliban?

Warsarecruel · 30/10/2023 15:08

What’s ignorant is sitting in your cosy little houses and being blissfully unaware of the complexities of war and what they entail.
If we didn’t destabilise ISIS and Taliban which was a threat to our national security, then we put our civilians at risk, if we choose to destabilise those two powers that means a loss of civilian lives. Every country makes the decision that is best for their own interests, as sad as that all sounds.

Chaitales · 30/10/2023 15:11

Meanwhile, thousands of children - I've estimated the same number of all the primary schools of my borough, have been killed. This is to add to the thousands who have been killed or living under oppression for the last few decades. Noone cares about the kids, every thread trying to show humanity to innocent children and making some space on the Internet is shot down by what-about-ery and political point scoring.

The Internet is a depressing place.

@Ohlalalalala thanks for your efforts in thinking about these children. I hope they are at peace now in the heavens with Abraham.

Warsarecruel · 30/10/2023 15:16

If it’s not obvious by my username, wars are cruel and the lowest of humanity. Using food, water and medicine as a weapon is cruel. None of it has no place in a modern society.

EasterIssland · 30/10/2023 15:33

Another 2 have been killed in this horrific attack
https://twitter.com/amaherYAH/status/1718920801112486266

https://twitter.com/amaherYAH/status/1718920801112486266

ChickHenLittle · 30/10/2023 15:51

Warsarecruel · 30/10/2023 15:08

What’s ignorant is sitting in your cosy little houses and being blissfully unaware of the complexities of war and what they entail.
If we didn’t destabilise ISIS and Taliban which was a threat to our national security, then we put our civilians at risk, if we choose to destabilise those two powers that means a loss of civilian lives. Every country makes the decision that is best for their own interests, as sad as that all sounds.

Generalising about posters just makes you look silly.

flowofstate · 30/10/2023 15:51

@Warsarecruel you claim to be against war yet here you are on an anti war thread calling us all hypocrites for daring to point out civilian deaths and claiming we don't have a justified right to do so because we are from the uk. I deplore all war. Past wars have been proven to have had false claims behind them (remember wmd from iraq that didnt exist). So no they weren't necesarily justified. I don't believe the case for this war is justified. What's your point? Why are you trying to shut down anti war debate if you hate war so much?

Warsarecruel · 30/10/2023 15:57

ChickHenLittle · 30/10/2023 15:51

Generalising about posters just makes you look silly.

It’s easy for people to put their opinions forwards in the comfort in their own homes with little understanding of the complexities behind wars, that’s not silly, it’s common sense.

flowofstate · 30/10/2023 16:01

It's easy for posters sitting at home in comfy houses to make justification for the 1000s of Palestinian civilian deaths and IDF cruelty whilst writing off 75 years of Israeli govt oppression and saying its somehow nothing to write home about or indeed relevant, simultaneously berating others for discussing it using whataboutery tactics.

See what I did there?

ChickHenLittle · 30/10/2023 16:02

Warsarecruel · 30/10/2023 15:57

It’s easy for people to put their opinions forwards in the comfort in their own homes with little understanding of the complexities behind wars, that’s not silly, it’s common sense.

So, all posters are watching on from the comfort of their own homes, with no experience of being in or from the affected area? Some of us are Palestinian or of Palestinian descent. Some of us are now in the UK or other countries, other posters are still over there.
FWIW, I don't judge anyone these posters for having an opinion as long as it isn't discriminatory or hate speech. Why shouldn't they?

ChickHenLittle · 30/10/2023 16:09

EasterIssland · 30/10/2023 15:33

Another 2 have been killed in this horrific attack
https://twitter.com/amaherYAH/status/1718920801112486266

Is this the civilian family car that was targeted? Absolutely horrifying how brazen attacks on civilians are becoming. I see that journalists in Lebanon have also been targeted, and although not completely proven, a postmortem shows it was likely IDF bullets, given the type of ammunition and direction from which it was fired.

Redlarge · 30/10/2023 16:30

ChickHenLittle · 30/10/2023 16:09

Is this the civilian family car that was targeted? Absolutely horrifying how brazen attacks on civilians are becoming. I see that journalists in Lebanon have also been targeted, and although not completely proven, a postmortem shows it was likely IDF bullets, given the type of ammunition and direction from which it was fired.

Ive just seen it on the news. They had done a u turn and the car was driving away when it was blown up. Unbelievable.

Gruntsandgroans · 30/10/2023 16:33

Warsarecruel · 30/10/2023 15:57

It’s easy for people to put their opinions forwards in the comfort in their own homes with little understanding of the complexities behind wars, that’s not silly, it’s common sense.

Sorry but it isn't complex. Directing attacks at civilians is a war crime. Of course people shouldn't be quiet when a country is committing wars crimes, crimes against humanity and acts of terror.

I havent seen a single person saying why are you condemning Hamas for what they have done, why do you care so much about what Hamas are doing? After all oppression is complex, terrorism is complex. I'm from a country that has had terrorist organisations, does that mean I can't say what Hamas did was bad? After all some people from my country did the same so who am I to talk?

Bloom15 · 30/10/2023 16:33

mermaidmaria · 29/10/2023 19:44

Israel is committing a war crime in front of our eyes

Yeah but...Hamas...

Not my view but so sick of seeing this type of response on these threads. Israel is committing genocide and the world doesn't care. It breaks my heart and makes me hold DS even tighter

EasterIssland · 30/10/2023 16:34

ChickHenLittle · 30/10/2023 16:09

Is this the civilian family car that was targeted? Absolutely horrifying how brazen attacks on civilians are becoming. I see that journalists in Lebanon have also been targeted, and although not completely proven, a postmortem shows it was likely IDF bullets, given the type of ammunition and direction from which it was fired.

Yes. Father and 2 kids death. Mum is critical

Gruntsandgroans · 30/10/2023 16:45

I've just seen on eye know Palestinine that the 3rd floor of the Turkish hospital has been bombed.