To think Israel won't exist much longer?

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Support in the west is declining, and when Israel doesn't have weapons and defense funding they won't be able to defend against their neighbouring countries on their own. AIBU to wonder how much longer it can exist given they are losing support?

@Jupitersstorm the article does not state that Israel does not have a right to defend itself and neither have I said that.
The criticism is based on Netanyahu's role as prime minister

@AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen welcome 😊

I strongly advise you to look up the terms the Israeli government are using daily to describe Gaza.
"Erase Gaza. Don’t leave a single person there,” Mr. Golan said in an interview with Channel 14 on Oct. 15.
"It’s time for Nakba 2",Mr. Magal wrote on X on Oct. 7, a reference to the mass displacement and flight of Palestinians before and after Israel’s creation in 1948, which Palestinians refer to as the “nakba,” or “catastrophe.”
Calls for Gaza to be “flattened,” “erased” or “destroyed” had been mentioned about 18,000 times since Oct. 7 in Hebrew posts on X.
I could find many more examples to the kind of rhetoric used publicly (God knows what they say in private).
This has gone to far to be only about self defence. Of course Israel will exist for a long time. Gaza and the West bank? Doubtful.

Some info re opinion of conflict.
This yougov survey was taken 2-3rd November. So obviously opinion may have changed since then especially with the continued bombings and attacks on hospitals and schools , however even in early November
Its clear at that time opinion was fairly equal in terms of support.

apologies here it is

Am I outed 🤣🤣or am I Reading too much into the comment Parking

@AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen
I'm not sure what you mean lol
I was saying you are welcome im response to your thank you 😊

I thought you’d picked up on my other user name as we are both regularly on another thread .
I obviously Read this wrong 😉. But thanks.

@Auvergne63 whilst I do not agree with terminology used and strongly oppose the dehumanising of any side in this Israel has a much more open policy with regard to what its media can report.

Can you imagine Hamas' thoughts on Israel and I have to say it a vast portion of the population of Gaza... think of how the body of shani louk was treated (not by Hamas by general populace). I doubt very much they speak about Israeli's and Jews in general by what we know.

The architect of Hamas Yahya Sinwar is
'1000% committed and 1000% violent, a very very hard man'

He is so focused ' he does see life beyond his eyeballs'

This is not a one way street. They just don't release as much or allow people to talk. Would you talk?

@AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen that's odd. Why different user names?

If I’m on a thread about something sad…say the thread about the 4 missing boys I would use a username
e like. Happydays….. I know not everyone will notice, but I do.

Also I like my username to , I suppose, relate to the subject in some way.

oo meant to say I wouldn’t use a username like HappyDays

Of course I’m not obsessed and if I’m using this current one but spot something a interesting about vegetarianism or nappies I don’t change my name just for that. But for sensitive subjects I will be careful.

I think that's very sweet and considerate of you. Not sure that kind of behaviour belongs on social media 😅

I really don't think it is about what the media are allowed to report but more a form of normalizing their genocidal ideology. In Israel, this falls on ground made fertile by decades of discourse dehumanising Palestinians.
It is worth pointing out that there are many, many Israeli who oppose what is happening but this not reported by the so called free media. Why not? I expect a democracy to encourage and support alternate views to be reported.
I am also aware what Yahya Sinwar said.
I feel the Gazans are too busy trying to survive to actually talk. Their voice is heard through what we witness and it is a powerful voice too.

You're right.
I just stated my opinion - but a left wing paper writing about a right wing government in a different country with hostile nations adjacent to it isn't going to be able to tell you how it is.

I saw on channel 4 news tonight an Israeli talking about the West bank and saying that anyone disagreeing with his right to take land there was a Nazi.

Oh sure, take whatever you like and whatever you like and then invoke holocaust politics to justify it. Bonkers. That can not be right, at all.

Other attacks such as calling people antI- semetic aswell.
It makes questioning anything almost impossible. Isn’t that the point though so we shut up.

@marmaladeandpeanutbutter even the Israeli's think he is a fruitcake. See what happened when he tried to join the hostage families.
Don't tar everyone with the same brush. You don't want us to do that with Hamas.

@Auvergne63 I could literally turn everything you have said on its head and from Israel's perspective.
And most importantly I disagree with the use of the word 'genocide'.

Genocide refers to intent to destroy in part or in whole a people. I think there's an argument that placing a deliberate siege on the entire population is indicative of genocidal intent - since we all know people can not survive without food, water and medical care. However, I expect scholars will debate it for years to come and we will all see the arguments on both sides at some point.

You can disagree as much as you want with the term "genocide" but when an eminent Jewish scientist ( whose entire family except parents were murdered in the holocaust and with 40 years of researching the Palestinian and Israeli conflict) declares it is a genocide, I tend to listen.
Israel is a " democracy" therefore you should hold them to have higher moral standards than a terrorist organisation and shouldn't be able "to turn everything I have said on its head". By doing so, you have just proved that the Israeli government's actions are as horrific as the Hamas' ones.

Even the concept that it's become a source of debate whether the actions of Israel in Gaza right now constitutes as a genocide or not, is alarming in itself.
It highlights the severity of the situation and the ongoing trauma on civilians at disproportionate levels.

@Auvergne63 I meant more the emotive stuff but we can agree to disagree. As is often pointed out 'genocide' is a legal term and as it stands Israel does not reach that threshold.
It's a sensationalist word and not only demonises Israel but draws attention away from genuine genocide such as Rwanda and Armenia.

Although I agree some of Israel's policies and politicians need changing they are not trying to exterminate the Palestinian people. Remember when they left Gaza they left infrastructure which Hamas destroyed, they employ people from Gaza in Israel, they have had ceasefires and gone to the table numerous times to discuss moving forward.

There was a massacre and there are hostages enmeshed in Gaza at the moment. And hopefully there will be a 'truce' soon.

I accept the Jewish eminent scientist but it's opinion. There is a lot of those.

As is often pointed out 'genocide' is a legal term and as it stands Israel does not reach that threshold.
It's a sensationalist word and not only demonises Israel but draws attention away from genuine genocide such as Rwanda and Armenia.

I'm interested in this @Stomacharmeleon - here is the UN definition of genocide. In what way is it different from what is happening in Gaza now?

The definition contained in Article II of the Convention describes genocide as a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part.

The U.N. Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide defines genocide as “any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such.” The acts include “killing members of the group, causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group, deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part, imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group, and/or forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.”