Justifying the rape of women

[armchairactivist1]

Something I keep coming back to.. for the people whose sympathies lie with the Palestinians and think an eye for an eye and that Hamas have been pushed to act the way they have, how do you justify the brutal rape of women by Hamas?
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Agree. They seem deliberately incendiary and a distraction from the genocide

@Worddance

Did you really? Did you actually react like this to hearing about the atrocities committed by Hamas?
What did you do? Anything? Did you even write a comment on the internet, like you did above?

Or were you actually in spirit on the side of the immediate celebrations??

And yes Hamas is representative of the Palestinians - they democratically elected it. With its manifesto of eradicating all Jews.

And don't say oh most Palestinians are under age they didn't vote for Hamas. By that standard Biden isn't representative of the USA, as if you add minors and Republicans there's more people who didn't vote for him

i’ve noticed it’s the same pro-Israel posters that keep starting new random threads for exactly that purpose. @Pollyputhekettleon has just launched a new thread on Qatar (who she/he seems very strangely obsessed with). It’s all just distraction tactics from the ongoing genocide.

@Itsaharddlife

FYI in Ireland any and all posters of the hostages are ripped up. Saw some earlier today.
As you know Ireland is the biggest supporter of the Palestinians in Europe.
There's been many demonstrations in their favour, starting with celebratory ones after the 7th.

I honestly think people just don't understand what the IDF is like, what life is like for Palestinians day to day. Here is an extract from a guardian article about the killing of children by the IDF.

In southern Gaza, the killings take place in a climate that amounts to a form of terror against the population. Random fire into Rafah and Khan Yunis has claimed hundreds of lives, including five children shot as they sat at their school desks. Many others have died when the snipers must have known who was in their sights - children playing football, sitting outside home, walking back from school. Almost always "investigations" amount to asking the soldier who pulled the trigger what happened - often they claim there was a gun battle when there was none - and presenting it as fact.

I'm not quoting this to excuse anything. I am quoting it to show that IDF don't give a fuck. They are above the law and they act as they want. Sometimes there is an odd prosecution which leads to a few months in prison so Israel can say they are doing something but most often their isn't.

Palestinian civilians, normal people have to live with this every day. Knowing that their children can be taken away at the pull of a trigger and nothing will ever be done about it. There is nothing they can ever do about it. The IDF don't just sit their guarding Israelis, they terrorise Palestinian people all of time and they get away with it. There is no 'good side' in this, just innocent civilians who get hurt.

Agree. Repeated threads to remind people that genocide is justified, just in case we forgot

There was a brilliant The Onion headline that made me laugh as much as it made me cry. Could be the title of one of these MN threads too

I saw that Onion headline. One of the few things that’s made me crack a smile over the past couple of weeks!

@Desertrose2023 just to be clear I haven't started any other threads on here

SeulementUneFois

I didn't know this. Just to better understand, how exactly are they celebrating? As in praising the atrocities?
I don't understand how celebrating the deaths and kidnappings will gain sympathy for the Palestinians. If anything in many peoples eyes it will justify the genocide of the gazans.
Then again I've also seen some pro Israeli supporters praising Israeli government for cutting off water, food etc. Some even boasting about their easy access to water to mock the situation.
Clearly there's sick people on both sides. Though I've seen more people quick to ask Palestinian supporters to condemn these acts, yet no one asks the other side

I was at the first demonstration in Dublin, NO ONE was "celebrating" . Is it really so hard to believe that people care about human rights? I honestly despair... You can't care about the human rights of Palestinians without being labelled "pro Hamas", "antisemitic" or "celebrating!". There were grown men literally crying.

So when I hear people have been "celebrating" October 7th as I think many news outlets had also reported, does that just refer to the worldwide protests to free palestine? Or have people been genuinely celebrating? I can't tell the truth from all the lies

Of course people arent celebrating others dying. But theres enough posters flooding mn just now trying to convince you otherwise.

I was at some of the London protests. People were in tears, just as we were at the Iraq war protests and so many others. I was with a group of Jewish, Christian and agnostic friends some holding Palestinian flags, some holding aboriginal and other colonised land flags.

There was no celebration. It was tears and a genuine grief. I know most of my friends, family and people I know have been struggling for the past few weeks, feeling guilty at eating, putting kids to bed, going about normal lives, while realising there are thousands of families not able to do that anymore. It's living through a daily funeral yet still having to go thru daily life like nothings changed. It's heart breaking. There is no celebration.

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Re: rape, there are quite a few accounts that girls were raped and then killed, or killed and then raped, with the attackers laughing throughout. (from 01:40). Here, he corrects "the terrorists" to "people from Gaza" - when I first watched it, I wasn't sure why.

Now, it's known that many "innocent civilians" from Gaza, not just Hamas, repeatedly crossed the border to carry out these barbaric acts... as confirmed yesterday by Dr Qanta Ahmed from 01:10 in after she was one of the global reporters who viewed a 45-minute screening of some of the atrocities in Israel. She says hundreds, maybe thousands, of them.

If you watch the , you can see these civilian males, young and old, all piling in yelling "Allahu Akbar" like it's one great jamboree. They're not exactly hiding their delight, any more than their supporters around the world, setting off fireworks to celebrate this sort of thing.

Personally I'd rather be killed in a missile air strike than be a woman on the receiving end of all that. You can see why pelvic bones were shattered in their enthusiasm.

Has anyone seen the images of israeli citizens eating popcorn and clapping when gaza was bombed in 2014? Watching from the hilltop like a good show
I think that may come under celebrating

Gaza hasn't had elections for years but, again, how do you deal with that in practical terms? Never go to war against any country that isn't a free and fair democracy? Every country led by despots and gangsters gets a free pass to do whatever it likes and you can't respond because nobody voted for them? Nevertheless, Hamas aren't some rogue terrorist group within Gaza, liable to be prosecuted by the Palestinian authorities if they can catch them. They are the government. They have billions, they have allies, they have thousands of trained fighters, they have infrastructure (the infrastructure they essentially robbed from their own citizens).

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna85018

Article about a celebration in Israel a few years ago with them chanting "death to arabs"

Many people quote hamas wanting to destroy all Jews. Just wanted to point out the hatred is on both sides

and the men and boys crowding around her, yelling, showing her the finger, spitting on her, shoving her into the car and muzzling in to gawp closer.

I dread to think what's happened to the hostages.

You think Gazans shake their head sadly at the misfortunes of the Israelis? Hmm.

Indeed. Absolutely disgusting and yet they're so convinced they're on The Right Side.

The Israelis who live in their homes and razed their lands and made them stateless and prisoners and are able to torture, imprison, beat and kill at will?

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By the above, just pointing out

a) Palestinians and their supporters are not laughing or celebrating misfortune of Israelis. Would much rather live in their own homes and in peace and be able to see their childen grow up and go to sleep soundly like the rest of the world does. Noone wants to be at war.

B) the two cannot be equated - Israelis can sit on hilltops laughing at Gaza being razed and Palestinians being killed, much, much, much more than the reverse. Both are equally reprehensible, but the ginormous power imbalance and freuqncy of attacks cannot be ignored.

I feel the 'Allahu akbar' has been associated with jihadists and it has been misunderstood. It literally means 'God is great' and I've heard it used in a wide variety of contexts - men carrying really heavy stuff, women in labour and even on TV you can see men digging dead bodies out of the rubble saying it.

"You think Gazans shake their head sadly at the misfortunes of the Israelis? Hmm"

I'm just pointing out neither side holds the moral high ground.
Why were you quick to show disgust at pro Palestinians supposedly celebrating but when I point out Israelis do the same you don't seem to hold the same level of disgust?

Agree