The people that don't call those that support Hamas

[Trulywonderful]

Such a nice guy with a good morals obviously. What more do you want from a barrister or law firm that hasn't spoken out on this

(Sarcasm)

@Stopactingsosmall

Apologies if I caused offence to you.

Thank you. I accept your apology.

I hope given the response you received on here you appreciate that what you posted was not just offensive to me but played into so much Jewish hatred.

Please, please in the interests of building shared understanding I absolutely beg you to read either of the short suggestions I gave you. I hope it might help you and others to understand why. David Baddiel (yes he's not perfect, not saying he is) says often that he is both an atheist and someone who has no affinity or interest in Israel. This is helpful because it shows just how separate these issues are when it comes to antisemitism. Please read his short polemic Jews Don't Count to understand why some of what you posted is upsetting.

For now, Shalom. Peace.

@Coughingdodger you tell me! Have you asked black people why they are subject to racism? Do you think it's their fault? Do you think antisemitism is mine?

Like I said I have stood in Westminster alongside other Jewish people in protest at the more extreme end of the current Israeli government. Not that it should matter.

People have always hated the "other".

Posts like this simply fuel that despicable hatred further by implying there 'must be something in it'

Yes off question by pp

Last night after a video emerged showing a woman taking part in the pro-Palestine march through London on Sunday holding an effigy of a dead baby and shouting 'Slaughter the Jews'.

Police are appealing for information to identify her and a second woman, who both led the chant in full view of dozens of onlookers.

"David Hirsch, founder for the London Centre for the Study of Contemporary Anti-Semitism, described the unadulterated joy of the protesters as akin to football fans.
He said: 'Some Londoners on the demo were thrilled by the

1,400 Hamas murders, like football fans are when their team wins.
'The joy of their victory lit up their faces. They taunted Jews with a religious certainty that there would be more Jew-killing soon.'"

I don't always agree with this man however he is right about half the protesters on these marches. They literally are bubbling with joy at the moment. Frankly some people show no sign of being there because they want a ceasefire or give a hoot about civilian deaths.

I would probably be careful with that question. It is often used to provoke by iffy people. The Corbyn supporters used that one a lot a few years back. It doesn't sit well with people

If you want to know then do some research on the subject or pick up a book. Short answer is lack of understanding and differences. Then the Christian Bible and Quran convincing people that Jews killed Jesus. Though at the same time if you believe these books are factual then you will see evidence this wasn't the case too. Anyway ingrained prejuide in society because of religion that affects the views of even non religious people in those societies. However mostly pfear what they don't understand. That is human nature.

To be honest I have only seen one real incident of Anti semitism in my life. When a Jewish man was walking minding his business and a group of school girls were shouting abuse at him. They were of mixed nationalities. I wanted to stop him to tell him to report to police, but he carried on walking and ignored them. He was wearing a Kippa. Which drew their attention. This was hate incident,imo. But my main view comes from media , reporting of Anti semitism when people have accused Jeremy Corbyn when he has been seen pro palestinian. Why people " hate" Jews? I don't hate Jews. I would say its the Jewish lobby who are criticised. A lot to do with Palestine issue, Jews perceived to be " controlling " media and influential and they have USA and the west on their side. I know, I know this is all stereotyping but reasons behind some views. I personally know three Jewish ladies who went to play group with me, I talk to them when I see them. To me they are people first rather their religion. Sorry this is a hurried post, as I am cooking at this time. Oh and since 7th Oct I no longer see a Jewish family in park , whose boys wore kippa. I like to think no one will abuse them if they were to visit park, I would defend them if someone showed any hostility as they have nothing to do with what Israel is doing. So I would say jews who look " visibly " jews i.e. wearing kippa or head covering are at higher risk of being victim of anti semitism. I won't continue commenting on this thread as quite busy.

As this thread is calling out actual incidents that that have happened lately. Whether that be on protests or in a lawyers social media profile. Plus I have only chosen clear incidents of hate without any chance of mislabelling. Not sure what your deal on the thread is. This thread was started only for the purpose of calling out such cases. These people are a danger to everyone not just Jews. A person that makes no distinction between Jews and Israel, that celebrates death is not a decent human beings and a risk to others in society.

Yep not hiding anything there are they

Some people currently believe they can say whatever they like and are showing there true selves. Not surprising when others will come to defend them because they are following the same narrow narrative etc.

This

So you really think people hate Jews because they killed Jesus 2000 years ago? Really?

It was the Romans who killed Jesus by the way.

Why do you think people who hate Jews hate them NOW?

I don’t hate Jews (I don’t hate any people as a group) so I don’t know. But if you’ve been discriminated against and given a reason for it, then educate me.

Can you not educate yourself?

There are reading suggestions on here

"Here in the UK, incidents of Islamophobia and antisemitism have spiked in the three weeks since the Hamas atrocities. The Community Security Trust (CST), which collates reports of antisemitism in the UK and provides security advice and training for Jewish schools and synagogues, recorded 805 antisemetic incidents between 7 and 27 October; the highest ever recorded in a 21-day period, and more than those recorded during the first six months of this year.

Tell Mama, which does the same for Islamophobia, recorded 291 incidents of anti-Muslim hate between 7 and 19 October, a six fold increase on the same period last year."

This will not even be anywhere near the number of incidents that have occurred in both groups. From experience personally and at work in London I know most crimes like these never get reported. Often even if physical. Neither group thinks the police and society as a whole take these crimes seriously so don't report to the police or even to their own support and collection groups. What we are hearing figure wise will be the tip of the iceberg and in the next 18 months that the ground assault of the conflict will take, things are likely to get worse hate crime wise.

I didn't know there was an " us" and "they ". We are juust a group of people expressing our thoughts, whether wrong or right.

There are more than 7 billion people on the planet who aren’t Jewish. So I’m not that interested.

I’m only asking in this case because anyone who condemned Israel’s slaughter in Gaza is being told they’re anti-Semitic. They’re being told (on this thread) that they hate Jews because Jews are white and rich which is clearly nonsense. Or that they hate Jews because Jews killed Jesus which is also clearly nonsense.

I’m not that interested.

Then why expect posters to give their time in answering you.

If you want to know, there’s suggestions in pp.

You asked a question. I gave you a basic historical context of how it started. Something that it was obvious I was doing. Because I literally said do some research or pick up a book

After that it is up to you to answer your own question. I give you a clue. Even in places like Israel it didn't start in 1948. There were massacres, riots, rapes and torture of Jews on the land way before Israel declared a state.

Anyway this isn't the thread for all that conversation. No need to derail a thread because you have no knowledge of Jews, antisemitism or whatever.

Pick up a book or do some online research from a wide variety of sources

@Coughingdodger

So you really think people hate Jews because they killed Jesus 2000 years ago? Really? It was the Romans who killed Jesus by the way. Why do you think people who hate Jews hate them NOW ?I don’t hate Jews (I don’t hate any people as a group) so I don’t know. But if you’ve been discriminated against and given a reason for it, then educate me.

Again. You tell me. Why do racists discriminate against black people 'NOW'. Or Muslims.

You are the problem.

Nobody has said this and you are just twisting words to meet you own agenda for posting on this thread

People talking about real hate crimes that have been happening seems to be something you want to derail. Frankly that is iffy considering you could post on a number of threads currently available.

Just saying

A Dutch politician born in Somalia recently wrote about what she was taught as a child about Jews (and it was pretty nasty stuff) - she no longer holds those views. Some cultures seem to instill hatred into their children from a young age. The Koran is not very nice about Jews.

On UK professionals supporting banned organisations, there is London doctor apparently (male) which was reported today to be a Hamas supporter -
(this is the BBC quoting from today's papers, not a verified BBC check)
" the leader of an "extremist" Islamic group that chanted "jihad" at a protest in London works as an NHS GP under a different name. Abdul Wahid spent more than 20 years practising as a family doctor under his real name, Dr Wahid Asif Shaida "- https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-67252711.amp

I really wish that was the case

Unfortunately so many threads just turn into a pile on or one side against the other

I prefer the short bursts you get for a bit where people can have an actual conversation

Unfortunately these threads get derailed by small groups of people who want to kill debate or whatabout everything. Especially if it doesn't fit their own agenda / narrative

We had the same in 2021 conflict

We had the same over lockdown

We had the same over vaccinations

This is just unfortunately how some people are. It is about Jews on this thread mostly. However that isn't always the case. Derailing conversations is just what people do if they can't win an argument or don't want others to believe factual information etc

Just want to add that yes I know Somali Muslims in particular have often been taught alsorts of bad things about Jews. However I live in a community which has a lot of Somali Muslims. Some can at first if not been around many Jews before. However I find once they are around Jews they soon realise some things taught are not correct and we get on great. The Somali in my bit of London have a lot of prejudice against them and this is something they can connect with Jews about. We actually have a lot in common in many ways with Muslim in general. I have had many debates in real life about similarities. One of my Somali neighbours uses the Kosher butcher because it is cheaper for some meat cuts.

That's good. That is why the threads on MN whether people are on different sides are not are good too. Too many people live in an echo chambers only with people liek they are. It is why I think integration and mixing is good and separation is bad. I support Denmark's dismantling of ghettoes for example to ensure people mix in and newcomers learn Danish values.

Coughing - I have reported your vile post for anti-semitism. Would you ask a black person why they experience racism? Would you like a person of colour to elucidate why they are othered and dehumanised? Are you really so ill educated that you know nothing of the history of anti-semitism?