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Conflict in the Middle East

The people that don't call those that support Hamas

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Trulywonderful · 24/10/2023 16:32

Such a nice guy with a good morals obviously. What more do you want from a barrister or law firm that hasn't spoken out on this

(Sarcasm)

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Loulou599 · 31/10/2023 07:44

France has seen more antisemitic incidents in the last three weeks than over the past year

Guess we can't mention the elephant in the room there..

Trulywonderful · 31/10/2023 10:37

Loulou599 · 31/10/2023 07:44

France has seen more antisemitic incidents in the last three weeks than over the past year

Guess we can't mention the elephant in the room there..

The elephant in the room is that some people have decided to look the other way because they think it somehow saves Gaza

Therefore Jew hating idiots feel they are free to abuse and dehumanise Jews or Jewish places/things

You can say oh because of the conflict people hate Jews. However antisemitism pre dates 1948 by a couple of thousand years. People are currently just swallowing up the latest round of properganda, most of which was first used in Russia before 1948. Hamas and supporters have literally just changed the odd word here and there!

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Trulywonderful · 31/10/2023 10:38

Rehab4rightmove · 31/10/2023 07:12

I'd come and guard those posters with you @Trulywonderful I can look fierce if needed.

Not Jewish myself.

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Publication · 31/10/2023 11:28

As a Muslim, I would be tempted to spit at anyone removing a poster of a hostage or any innocent civilian who died (I wouldn’t because I am not an aggressive unhygienic sort). What a deeply unpleasant thing to do. Especially whilst smiling. Where has humanity gone?? Appalling.

One of my junior colleagues experienced some antisemitism on a work chat last week. We decided to not waste time and take it to the very ‘top’ of our organisation to deal with it. He said he felt supported and ‘safe’ which is as it should be. We have to lead from the top and show that we won’t tolerate any prejudice, including antisemitism.

I shared with him some stories of the Islamophobia I experienced after 9/11 and he felt understood because he said I must know ‘exactly’ how he was feeling right now. We all actually have a lot in common with each other beneath all the hate.

LondonMummer · 31/10/2023 12:17

Publication · 31/10/2023 11:28

As a Muslim, I would be tempted to spit at anyone removing a poster of a hostage or any innocent civilian who died (I wouldn’t because I am not an aggressive unhygienic sort). What a deeply unpleasant thing to do. Especially whilst smiling. Where has humanity gone?? Appalling.

One of my junior colleagues experienced some antisemitism on a work chat last week. We decided to not waste time and take it to the very ‘top’ of our organisation to deal with it. He said he felt supported and ‘safe’ which is as it should be. We have to lead from the top and show that we won’t tolerate any prejudice, including antisemitism.

I shared with him some stories of the Islamophobia I experienced after 9/11 and he felt understood because he said I must know ‘exactly’ how he was feeling right now. We all actually have a lot in common with each other beneath all the hate.

I love this post. Thank you. We are stronger together

BlurredEdges · 31/10/2023 13:59

Thank you @Publication from a Jewish woman x

Trulywonderful · 31/10/2023 17:50

Publication · 31/10/2023 11:28

As a Muslim, I would be tempted to spit at anyone removing a poster of a hostage or any innocent civilian who died (I wouldn’t because I am not an aggressive unhygienic sort). What a deeply unpleasant thing to do. Especially whilst smiling. Where has humanity gone?? Appalling.

One of my junior colleagues experienced some antisemitism on a work chat last week. We decided to not waste time and take it to the very ‘top’ of our organisation to deal with it. He said he felt supported and ‘safe’ which is as it should be. We have to lead from the top and show that we won’t tolerate any prejudice, including antisemitism.

I shared with him some stories of the Islamophobia I experienced after 9/11 and he felt understood because he said I must know ‘exactly’ how he was feeling right now. We all actually have a lot in common with each other beneath all the hate.

You are very right the Jewish and Muslim communities do have so much in common. We share some many similar experiences. I tend to find at work apart from other Jewish people my Muslim colleagues get my life experiences best. If people could only understand that division between are communities and those that seek to divide are the issue. We just have to all stand firm and not let hate crimes and acts of hate become the norm.

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Trulywonderful · 31/10/2023 17:54

"Man, 60, fined £200 after hurling racist abuse at Orthodox Jewish man in North London bakery

A man who hurled racist abuse at an orthodox Jewish man at bakery in North London has been fined £200. Kevin Joseph, 60, of Northumberland Park, in Tottenham, pleaded guilty to religiously aggravated intentional harassment at Thames Magistrates’ Court on Wednesday, October 18.

Joseph launched the tirade against his victim, who was dressed in traditional orthodox Jewish clothing, at a bakery on Clapton Common Road, threatening him and using anti-Semitic language at around 9:30am on Tuesday (October 17), the Crown Prosecution Service says.

He was later arrested and prosecuted at court within 24 hours, where the court heard the victim's impact statement, read by Jewish community leader Dr Dave Rich, and evidence from Detective Chief Superintendent James Conway. After hearing their statements, touching on the effects of hate crime, the bench deemed the offence so serious the fine was increased from £120 to £200.

"There is simply no place for hate of any kind on the streets of London," Chief Crown Prosecutor Jaswant Narwal said, as she promised to support victims and prosecute racists when the legal test is met. CPS London North Hate Crime Lead Varinder Hayre also warned the service would seek sentence uplifts to come down hard on 'dangerous and corrosive' hate crimes."

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Alcemeg · 31/10/2023 18:02

I'm kind of losing steam for raising objections to Hamas propaganda on MN, it's exhausting. No one listens and I feel bullied.

Edited to add: I was briefly kicked out for a post asking how we can tell who is Hamas and who is non-Hamas, given that thousands of "innocent Gazan civilians" are confirmed to have enthusiastically participated in the horrors of 7 Oct and there was open celebration in the streets around the world; and also Hamas's objective to create a global Islamic state, not just destroy Israel. Given that these are the most horrific terrorist attacks I can remember (I'm in my 60s), I was hoping for reassurance that no, indeed, there are Palestinians - even just a tiny group of them - who have gathered somewhere in the world to demonstrate against the attacks ("Not in my name / this is not Islam" or whatever)... Instead, I got the pat aggressive response about babies and children and women and elderly and disabled being carpet bombed (even though common sense = if Israel was carpet bombing, there would be nothing left of Gaza by now). I don't know, it seems impossible to discuss on here in any rational way.

Feel despondent as an outside observer (so far!), would hate to be Jewish at the moment.

calyrex · 31/10/2023 18:25

Well at least the police are doing something.

Trulywonderful · 31/10/2023 20:52

Yep they are doing something. The issue is it isn't quite enough and sometimes questionable. I sathat as the auntie of a police officer. I am not anti police at all. I do have concerns about how they handle things on occasion though.

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Trulywonderful · 01/11/2023 19:22

The police have started to release more images of people they want to track down:

Wanted: Met police issue pictures of 11 protesters accused of racially aggravated offences during pro-Palestinian London marches

The suspects attended the pro-Palestine marches on 14 and 28 October

To remain anonymous contact the independent charity Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111

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