The people that don't call those that support Hamas

[Trulywonderful]

Such a nice guy with a good morals obviously. What more do you want from a barrister or law firm that hasn't spoken out on this

(Sarcasm)

True

I stand in solidarity with gay people and I also stand in solidarity with ordinary Palestinian citizens. I understand they have a different belief system than me, I still think they are human beings. In my job I support people who have different values to me . I don’t agree with their views but ultimately tolerance is about acceptance that people have the right to hold views that you don’t agree with.

Just been reading about a 99 year old Jewish lady who has had more than 1000 hate messages sent to her. She has a TikTok thingy and her grandson help her to talk on it about the holocaust. People normally use the comment bit to ask her questions. We'll since 7th October she has had vile comments sent to her. The grandson has now had to disable the comments bit. She was getting understandably upset.

Seriously what is wrong with people!

Agree with you up until a point because my job requires this too. The point I break away from you is where a belief system or culture means that an innocent person is killed because they are gay. That I cannot say oh well they are allowed to hold the belief that a gay man can be dragged behind a motorbike until he is dead.

I know personally and work with plenty of Muslim people that also don't feel oh well about such a thing too. They don't believe gay people are halal but the worst they would do is turn their back on a family member that was gay. I mean that isn't great but still better than what you seem to want to ignore

Iran hangs gay men and Iranian-backed jihadis have lynched gay men and chucked them off tall buildings. I'd rather that 'different belief system' didn't take over Israel.

That sounds horrendous. There are these kind of idiots in every community who behave like this. what has this lady got to do with current events?

What's the fascination with Iran? Israel and western media always highlighting issues in Iran. There are other countries too which breach human rights but never get a mention. Just Iran. Who assassinated Iranian commander few years ago by drone strike , the USA and Israel were behind it. How do they get away with it and still itching to have a war with Iran. Human rights concerns is just a pretext.

You mean the historical discourse that is written in English was written mostly by privileged white men. If you are multi-lingual, and have read historical discourse in other languages it is very eye opening, and not so white dominated.

i’m not sure what you are saying - that every Palestinian would murder gay people ? So they should be killed? No I don’t agree with anyone who murders anyone else but there is a sense of othering here in your views that is at the very essence of racism. Apparently , you think, all Palestinian’s are murderers, bloodthirsty - so at odd with western values that a common ground could not be found, I don’t agree.

I’m struggling to understand why the poster thinks Iranians=Palestinians.
It’s a bit like confusing Canadians with Mexicans.

Hamas, Hezbollah and the gathering of jihadis in southern Syria are all Iranian proxies.

It is because the Iran regime are documented to be paying Hamas millions every month. This is factual and Iran admits to doing it.

Iran helped train the fighters for the pogrom. Videos were released by Hamas showing themselves getting training from Iran experts

Police in the UK said yesterday that the pro paletine protests have had know Iran agents appearing to promote unrest (No idea if that one is true but I am sure this will get investigated by independent squat some point)

Basically Hamas as everyone knows is Iran backed and does take a poop unless Iran tells them too. Everything big that has happened Iran has been involved in. You can't really talk much about Hamas without mentioning Iran. They are the hand that feeds and controls.

Aside from the Israeli and Palestinians issues I agree with you plenty of other horrible regimes out there

Though the poor girl that got put in a coma by Iran morality police has just died. Therefore the Iran regime is probably in most peoples thought for evilness outside the whole Israel thing at the moment

You were saying you would turn a blind eye to murdering a gay person because that is someone else's belief. I said I am OK with different beliefs but that is something I am not OK at ignoring.

You seem to have a problem of putting people in a box. Whether that be posters on mumsnet, Jews, Palestinians or Muslims. You seem to think they all have the same views as each other and that view is whatever you have heard on social media or feel is correct yourself. I can't imagine you dealing with different types of people and cultures in real life. You seem very unopen minded at should probably watch the Tim Minchin video I posted a link too. It would do you a world of good if you manage to understand it that is.

Don't reckon the currently situition is about gay rights???

What an odd take that on events or the conversation you have

Baffling!

Hanas is Iran backed etc etc etc

Something that everyone involved knows including Hamas and Iran

Gazans are not Iran backed. Quite the opposite oin fact. They are Iran opposed by Hamas.

True reading the whole thread then you will understand the situation and what is happening with on it. Not sure you landed on the right thread but this is me being polite at weird posts

Israel is a US proxy then if we are going to define proxy by who sends money and arms to the region. If even the US can’t control Israel, then neither can Iran control Hamas, Hezbollah and so on.

Ukraine would also be our (U.K. and EU) proxy against Russia then too? Given the money and tanks and whatnot we have all sent to that war.

Are proxies simply the disenfranchised & expendable being exploited by bigger super powers?

Now you are getting to something more interesting

Basically yes what you have posted is correct in slightly different ways than you mean but basically you are on the right track

For example Israel/Gaza conflict is currently American verse Iran battle ground. There is exsteme Islamic desire to not have a Jewish state in the middle east. However the main goal for Iran is to have a go at America and try to undermine it.

Poor Ukraine is the battle ground between the west and Russia. They are suppose to stop Putin expanding into Europe. However Putin says he is stopping Nato expand. Ever way Ukraine is the battle ground

This has happened a lot in history bigger nations using small ones as a place to fight their enemy

Israel is only the size of Wales and gaza Venice. Yet bemused by the big guys and exsteme Islamics.

'London jihad demo leader is NHS doctor: Islamic extremist's double life as a suburban GP is exposed

As head of Hizb ut-Tahrir in the UK, Abdul Wahid celebrated the barbaric Hamas terror attacks that slaughtered 1,400 Jewish men, women and children earlier this month as a 'very welcome punch on the nose' to Israel.

But he has also spent more than 20 years practising as a family doctor under his real name, Dr Wahid Asif Shaida.

Last night his shocked patients in the London suburb of Harrow said they had no idea about the double life of their well-spoken, privately educated GP.
Hizb ut-Tahrir caused outrage last weekend when members chanted 'jihad' during a rally outside the Egyptian and Turkish embassies in London and called for 'Muslim armies' to attack Israel.'

(Getting very disturbing that a lot of the worse offenders here are doctors. The NHS needs to start looking seriously at this)