I’m not saying I’m pro Israel, however..:

[Lelophants]

Surely most people can understand that if Israel was Great Britain and Hamas came and massacred children and innocent people in early October, then Great Britain would go to war and absolutely hammer them back? You just have to look at the response to any other war we’ve had. Do you really think the British government would behave perfectly in this situation? Do you think any western nation would do anything else in response to such an attack? I can genuinely see British people screaming in the streets to murder all babies of Hamas if this was the case. (Not saying it’s right!! I just don’t think we would be better in any way!!)

Personally I find this a really complicated conflict due to the deep history and I feel deeply sorry for civilians on each side.

I am pro Israel for the reasons you’ve given amongst others. It’s not a rare point of view.

You can be pro Israel. It's okay to

I’m not Palestinian but surely if Palestine was UK and the Israelis just came and decide they had a bigger right to the land and took over 80% of the Uk and restricted access and amenities to the rest of the 20% and all of us were washed into the south or Scotland or whatever, we’d be more than a bit mad and fight back?
and the if they carried on bombing us and killing our children and then crying they had the right to defend themselves wouldn’t you fight back?

I totally disagree. Some might but I genuinely don’t think we would demand en masse that our government relentlessly bomb civilians, and many objected to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

I know that :) I just have very mixed views on it

Have a look back through history. GB did 'hammer them back' in numerous ways. The fire bombing of Dresden has been roundly condemned as an act of inhumanity. Actions in NI during the Troubles. Illegal war in the ME. GB isn't immune to acting in a vile way.

Thousands of dead civilians isn't a war, it's a crime.

Nah. No matter what happened on British soil I wouldn’t be calling for the government to bomb 100s of kids to death every day.

I agree about Afghanistan and Iraq and think a lot of the country were quite happy to go to town on them!! And we had far less reason.

No, I still have a moral compass and revenge genocide can never be justified. Plus there's almost 100 years of oppression as a backdrop to this situation.

Plus the Israeli government are far right fascists and that can never be defended.

Neither would I. I don’t think we would be in the majority though. Have you heard the average British person talk about isis and what should happen to shamina begum?

Why not ask for some history etc, or say you are conflicted? When you say 'Im not pro Israel but.. ' you are implying that to support Israel is wrong. It's not wrong.

It is wrong to support the killing of any civilians. It's not wrong to support Israel's right to exisit

The government in general has a history of human rights abuses which is why I can’t pretend to be pro Israel. I also agree that Palestinians are very repressed.
However looks at Britain’s history and how we treated our ‘colonies’.

Not pro-Israel, but I'd bet my house on you preferring to live there than anywhere else in the middle east!

I'm not responsible for what the UK government do.

The same way I would say I’m not pro Palestine. I’m sorry if it came across that way. I meant to say I’m expressing this as someone who isn’t actually fiercely on one side.

Israel can exist, just don't take everyone else's land, brutalise and imprison them and treat them like second class citizens.

No, but perhaps you can still empathise for why it’s happened, especially if it was your loved ones.

My loved ones doing what?

However looks at Britain’s history and how we treated our ‘colonies’.

If I have spent my life condemning that, am I allowed to have an issue with Israel's actions? You seem to be doing some kind of sixth form debate rather than actually applying ethics to the current situation.

The UK has behaved appallingly. Israel is behaving appallingly. Hamas as well. All appalling.

Again, I totally agree! But I’m talking more about their response to the recent attacks that were objectively horrific.

Also, many of us aren't British, or not wholly British.

I’m not saying it’s right.

Me neither 🤣

@Lelophants you can be pro Palestinians too. And pro Israel. Dividing into camps, or teams, or who you root for is not helpful (I know you know that).