I’m not saying I’m pro Israel, however..:

[Lelophants]

Surely most people can understand that if Israel was Great Britain and Hamas came and massacred children and innocent people in early October, then Great Britain would go to war and absolutely hammer them back? You just have to look at the response to any other war we’ve had. Do you really think the British government would behave perfectly in this situation? Do you think any western nation would do anything else in response to such an attack? I can genuinely see British people screaming in the streets to murder all babies of Hamas if this was the case. (Not saying it’s right!! I just don’t think we would be better in any way!!)

Personally I find this a really complicated conflict due to the deep history and I feel deeply sorry for civilians on each side.

I feel sorrow for the Palestinians who are now dying beneath anonymous concrete slabs.

But their leadership brought this war to their door.

Their “leadership” are crazed terrorists, with no fucks to give, who probably shoot anyone who disagrees with them. You seem to know this so I’m not sure what your point is?

Palestinians could now be living safe, prosperous lives alongside those who, let's face it, brought that prosperity, who made the desert bloom

If only they knew their place huh? The Ottomans, Abbasid and Umayyad never really amounted to much after all.

From the British Peel Commission Report in 1938:

'The shortage of land is due less to purchase by Jews than to the increase in the Arab population. The Arab claims that the Jews have obtained too large a proportion of good land cannot be maintained. Much of the land now carrying orange groves was sand dunes or swamps and uncultivated when it was bought.'

Text of the Peel Commission Report (jewishvirtuallibrary.org)

So as long as Hamas is destroyed, it doesn't concern you that over 5000 Palestinians have been murdered, many more have been displayed, Gaza is under siege ( a medieval war technique), that the West Bank has been bombed and the list goes on? Really?

This is not a message from Hamas, this is FACT. Isreal break international law, cut off water to millions of civilians, Bomb civilians. Carry on ignoring the truth because it suits your narrative.

You were spreading Hamas/'Gazan Ministry of Health' misinformation just the day before yesterday and I haven't seen any remorse for that yet. People can decide for themselves what's truth and what's emotionally manipulative narrative.

The Palestinians have not voted for seventeen years.
They haven't actively voted for anything

You cannot get a job in the Gaza strip if you aren't a Hamas member. You get your legs broken if you protest against Hamas

Their “leadership” are crazed terrorists, with no fucks to give, who probably shoot anyone who disagrees with them

Funnily enough I haven’t seen anyone marching and shouting about this. Nobody shouting free Palestine from its own depraved murderous death cult leadership. Nope.

You cannot get a job in the Gaza strip if you aren't a Hamas member. You get your legs broken if you protest against Hamas.

But isn't that what makes it difficult to know who in Gaza is an innocent civilian and not in some way an active member of Hamas?

Reading my posts would have avoided the need to ask, since I have never stated that, so the answer is very clearly no.

@cherryblossomwoman
Hamas was created in 1987. Israel occupation started 1948.
Hamas was a created as a direct result of the brutal colonisation of the Israel state.

Not to say I support the actions of Hamas even a little bit.

However think of it, these people are enduring unbelievable injustices day in and day out in front of their eyes, watching their loved ones being killed and tortured and imprisoned. Such lack of basic human rights. Can you imagine the state of their mental health??

We take therapy here for years for much smaller reasons.
I saw a video from an American Jewish woman who described how the life is for Palestinians up close after living there for 4 months. She was weeping for the Palestinians.

Just think. And check your facts carefully.

Yes. It does make it difficult. Some of the Palestinians in South Gaza at this very second might be as innocent as anyone can be, and hate living under Hamas and didn't vote for them, and some of them might be quietly jubilant that Hamas made that Saturday raid.
We cannot read their minds. We cannot have followed their individual opinions for the last twenty years. I have no way of knowing.

This thought did not come out of my head all on its own, but it was pointed out long ago in a programme which was nothing to do with the Middle East and I realise some people will not like the idea : It is usually MEN who take up the arms to fight but sometimes they have mothers and sisters and wives who expect them to, possibly even encourage them to. That thought is for all places and all times. In WW1 I believe people, including women, gave white feathers to young men who were not in military uniforms.

Do you really think the people attending the march in Glasgow didn't understand the reason for doing so???

Do you think they were just out a walk?

Good grief, how patronising to think people can't understand and make up their own minds about whats going on and the history behind it.

That's why they were marching.

I think this interview explains the dangers of naivety very well.

Civilians aren't the target though. Hamas tunnels, command centres, and rocket launch sites are - which unfortunately they love putting right next or under hospitals or children's playgrounds. That's the dilemma of asymmetric warfare and Hamas is exploiting it to its fullest. Not saying the Israeli response is necessarily right or even smart strategy, but there's no good choices here.
Whereas Hamas has been quite consciously and deliberately TARGETING civilians. That of course is the very point of a terror campaign and why it's called terrorism.

Well, the Anglo-Saxons and Celts of Britain had to find ways to accommodate their new rulers, in 1066, didn't they?

There is nothing new under the sun.

Not quite the same as what happened to Israel recently. Have you actually seen what happened? A lot of it wasn’t broadcast as well as what’s been happening in Gaza.

I agree with this.

The words of the Israeli ministers don't 100% back what you are saying as much as I would like to believe that

1 CHILD KILLED EVERY 13 MINUTES IN GAZA

We are at the brink of humanitarian catastrophe'Since Hamas's attack on 7 October, some 2,000 children have been killed in retaliatory Israeli airstrikes in Gaza, according to Save the Children.
Speaking to Sky News, the organisation's country director for the occupied Palestinian territories, Jason Lee, said one child was killed every 13 minutes.
"We are at the brink of humanitarian catastrophe. It is critical there is a ceasefire," he said.
"The needs for children are growing and it is getting more desperate every day."

Wow, that is disgusting.

I’m referring to the photos and quotes you posted of what Israeli leaders have to say about deliberately destroying Gaza.

That's not what happened though.

Israel has never been offered a genuine two state solution (apart from the one they accepted in 1947) because Hamas, who have the status of democratically elected ruling party of Gaza, have always been clear that their ultimate goal is the eradication of Israel. A two state solution in which the other state makes no secret of only seeing that solution as a stepping stone to destroying you is a sham.

Agreed. They are not even trying to hide it

Hamas was created in 1987. Israel occupation started 1948.
Hamas was a created as a direct result of the brutal colonisation of the Israel state.

Israel did not occupy Gaza from 1948. Israel accepted the UN partition plan. After it won a defensive war against those who did not, Gaza became a puppet state of Egypt, and was occupied/controlled by it under various arrangements until 1967. As the West Bank was by Jordan.

Where was the Hamas to launch lethal attacks against Egyptian and Jordanian civilians to "free Palestine" from them?