I’m not saying I’m pro Israel, however..:

[Lelophants]

Surely most people can understand that if Israel was Great Britain and Hamas came and massacred children and innocent people in early October, then Great Britain would go to war and absolutely hammer them back? You just have to look at the response to any other war we’ve had. Do you really think the British government would behave perfectly in this situation? Do you think any western nation would do anything else in response to such an attack? I can genuinely see British people screaming in the streets to murder all babies of Hamas if this was the case. (Not saying it’s right!! I just don’t think we would be better in any way!!)

Personally I find this a really complicated conflict due to the deep history and I feel deeply sorry for civilians on each side.

I suppose I didn’t want an immediate ‘well if you’re pro Israel then…’ attack. I feel like
there can be more empathy both ways tbh.

Heck no, I'd be sickened if the UK government took the actions taken by the Israeli government, and furious it was being done in my name.
Public opinion in the UK, and even in the media, seems to now be very much against the actions of the Israeli government.

When 9/11 happened hundreds of thousands of people still marched against the Iraq war that followed.

Yes the recent attacks were horrific, nobody's denying that, but two wrongs don't make a right and they're committing war crimes. I'm sure they'll get their own way eventually then everyone can be happy and declare victory. Palestinian people will have ceased to exist, Israel will have the land to themselves and we can all pat each other on the back for supporting them.

Don't expect everyone to be happy about it though.

Empathy probably comes from understanding why people are 'pro' Israel and 'pro' Palestine and trying to hold onto both positions simultaneously. It's not easy. There is a lot of history and a lot of emotion that you may not fully understand

And that’s it. I think there are many people against the Israeli government but I don’t know if they would be if it was their own country.

I’d like to think some empathy can help, especially when there are now attacks across the world of Jewish people and Muslims 🥲

Empathy will totally help! But I don't think dividing such complex issues into good Vs evil will get us there

Plenty marched against the Iraq war and still view Blair as a war criminal, myself included.

You see, violence begets violence. Those two peoples are stuck in an endless cycle. Neither has the humility or humanity to back down and stop killing each other.

Maybe you're too young to remember this?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/15_February_2003_anti-war_protests

And were proved right to March! It was very much an illegal war and one thing I do love about the British public is that Tony Blair is still to this day despised and often jeered in public.

I can have vast empathy for the people on both sides and still hate the war mongering by their politicians. And more specifically, while I hate all war and violence, I think it is absolutely right to particularly abhor any form of warfare that targets civilians rather than seeking to minimise impacts on them

I'm pro-non-combatants.

Everyone else in this situations can fuck off.

Oh agreed, absolutely. Not in our name. I imagine many (most) Israeli and Palestinian people feel the same right now

I am pro-Israel.

What people don't seem to understand is that Israel right now is trying to eliminate Hamas. They don't want to kill civilians in Gaza. But if they don't go after Hamas then they are going to come back for more atrocities. Hamas is not about improving Palestinians' situation. Hamas' goal is to wipe Israel off the map. There is simply no other way. Hamas is a plague that needs to be eliminated.

The Uk (as I’m sure you know)has been the victim of terrorist attacks most notably the IRA and the London Bombings in 2005.

Fairly certain we didn’t straight up blitz Belfast though there were incidents like Bloody Sunday. Also fairly certain a collective punishment that involved harming children and the elderly would not of gone down well. Thatcher got grief just for ignoring the hunger strikes after all.

An eye for an eye will make the world blind.
What Hamas did was a disgusting terrorist attack and states can defend themselves when they are under attack but this is not self defence. It doesn’t give anyone the right to kill children in revenge.
5000 dead Palestinians, mostly civilians and half of those children, is inexcusable and some of the most horrific scenes of war I’ve ever seem. I will be haunted forever by the footage, I simply
cannot imagine what those are living or are feeling and experiencing.

This relentless bombardment is breeding hatred and division and it is ruining the chance of peace in the whole region.

I do not stand with the Uk/ US governments who are supporting Israel’s war crimes and murder of children.

Agreed.
But not just the Jewish people, Hamas want to eradicate all non Muslims.

I think it's quite clear that they can't share the land and if the Palestinian people want to survive they're going to have to live elsewhere. I think the world has a moral responsibility to help them find somewhere where they'll be able to settle and live peacefully. The alternative is genocide. They may prefer to go down fighting.
The bully always wins, so Israel can look forward to this. I'm sure all non Israelis will be the next to be ousted, including the Christians who live in Jerusalem. A far right, racist nationalistic government will see that it gets what it wants.

@flufferknutter well said.

Palestinians won’t move.
They are dying for their right to live on their land. Have you seen how much land they have lost already to Israel?
Plus giving them another country will just cause the same issues over time, it’s not like there are free and empty countries just waiting for a whole new population.
I agree with what you are saying about the far right Israeli government but I don’t see that as a solution.

It will come too late for the civilians harmed, killed and displaced, however I don't think the rest of the world will forget/turn a blind eye this time. It will probably take a while, too long for the civilians at risk, but even if world leaders aren't speaking up, I think the public will push for it, similar to Blair eventually facing an investigation and trial regarding the Iraq war.

What racist rhetoric.
Do you know how many Muslims there are in the world?? If they wanted to kill all none Muslims they would have been well on their way by now!

The overwhelming majority of Muslims are peaceful people and are not looking for an Islamic Jihad.