Hostages

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This is running on Al Jazeera and others - apparently Israel refused to take back two hostages.

https://english.alarabiya.net/amp/News/middle-east/2023/10/21/Hamas-says-intended-to-release-two-hostages-but-Israel-refused-to-receive-them

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CywjPXirejm/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

At least these individuals have been released ALIVE

the poor women and children of Gaza still being shattered and crushed to bits under rubble as we speak are not so lucky !!!

You might have seemed like a genuinely concerned person that was worried about the Palestinians. However you ruined it by adding the word apartheid because that didn't need adding. Therefore showing yourself up as someone here just to have some fun point scoring. This is not a game for people to try and win on the internet. This is peoples lives we are all talking about here.

You know absolutely nothing about me so how dare you make such accusations. I have family in occupied Palestine. Each day has been a living hell knowing what they are going through and what’s made it even worse is the ignorant comments from people like you have no idea what’s happening on the ground and the biased reporting of the western media which you just swallow up with little to no understanding of what is happening to real people there.

and Israel IS an apartheid state. Feel free to read the 100 odd page report from human rights watch which sets out in painstaking details all the ways Palestinians are forced to live as sub class in their own homeland.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/mde15/5141/2022/en/

This. It's unfathomable that people are happy to believe everything a terrorist organisation states as true. It's actually disgusting.

https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution

You must see what Hamas did is barbaric

@Bigminnie1 agreed!

I don’t agree with what Hamas did. Civilians are never legitimate targets. But what the Israelis are doing is still ongoing day in day out ! Every day the death toll of women and children grows. 6000 so far. Babies are dying, people are dehydrated, starved without food or electricity. These are the actions of an alleged democratic state.

First time you have mentioned that in ten posts.

Israel lost women and children in horrific circumstances. Babies have been burnt alive and are missing.
Think about your use of language.

The UN secretary general, António Guterres, has called for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire in Gaza, saying the “appalling attacks” by Hamas inside Israel on 7 October cannot justify the “collective punishment of the Palestinian people” and that “no party to an armed conflict is above international humanitarian law”.
He said at the UN in New York that he was “deeply concerned about the clear violations of international humanitarian law that we are witnessing in Gaza”, adding: “Our UN fuel supplies in Gaza will run out in a matter of days. That would be another disaster. To ease epic suffering, make the delivery of aid easier and safer and facilitate the release of hostages, I reiterate my appeal for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire.”
Guterres said the 7 October attacks did not happen “in a vacuum”, and that “the Palestinian people have been subjected to 56 years of suffocating occupation. They have seen their land steadily devoured by settlements, plagued by violence, their economy stifled, their people displaced and their homes demolished. Their hopes for a political solution to their plight have been vanishing.”
He said: “At a crucial moment like this, it is vital to be clear on principles – starting with the fundamental principle of respecting and protecting civilians.”

Thank you

Is that addressed to me ? What exactly is wrong with my language ?

Palestinians have been suffering under Israeli oppression for 75 years. Every day is October the 7th for Palestinians but their suffering is never acknowledged or humanized. The death toll in Gaza is already many multiples of the attacks on 7th October and the numbers are growing exponentially by the day. The number of dead Palestinian babies and burnt women and children goes up and up every day. Where is the condemnation of Israel for killing them ? Where is the outrage ?

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/10/24/middleeast/israel-hamas-gaza-war-tuesday-intl-hnk/index.html

The deaths of these babies are entirely preventable. By denying basic humanitarian services, fuel, water electricity, medicine the world is watching their murder in real time.

100% agree. It is beyond horrendous and the fact that people still justify it deeply saddens me.

Exactly this. It is entirely preventable. How can these babies on ventilators who can be saved very easily be dismissed as collateral damage and worse justified.
I have seen more outrage over protests than babies who risk dying on ventilators because Israel won't allow OTHER countries to send in fuel to run them via the Rafah Egyption border

Oh and for the poster who implied I was being disingenuous by referring to Israel as an apartheid state see the below from an Israeli organization if hrw and amnesty international aren’t convincing enough for you

https://www.btselem.org/publications/fulltext/202101_this_is_apartheid

It was not relevant to your post in the slightest. However you added it because of your own hate and agenda in making these posts. It is very obvious by this you are just a desperate point scoring perhaps doesn't actually care about what is currently happening. Sorry but that is the only conclusion any rational person can make by randomly throwing words into a post that has nothing to do with your argument.

@Desertrose2023 ok so let's do ideal situation...
Ceasefire tomorrow by Israel. That means both sides. No rockets.
Hamas hand back all hostages including soldiers.
They hand over those responsible for the October 7th attacks.
Egypt also has to cooperate. It does not want to get involved. They have said that.
Hamas has to stop hiding munitions in schools and hospitals. Using its infrastructure for purpose. Allowing infrastructure to be rebuilt.
Two state side by side. So Hamas rewrites its whole doctrine.

It won't happen.

You cannot blame Israel for hitting back after what happened. For not supplying the regime that wants to exterminate it. Hamas knew this would happen so what does that say about Hamas? Why is the backlash not against Hamas? For putting Palestinians in This position in the first place.

In my opinion your anger is misplaced.

So what’s your excuse for Israeli atrocities in the West Bank where there’s NO HAMAS ? Children imprisoned, settlers being armed and having a field day killing people and stealing homes.

the reality Israel is a state borne of injustice and ethnic cleansing and it continues to perpetuate that injustice 75 years later

Israel is the so called “democracy” breaching all humanitarian laws against a civilian population, committing genocide as we speak. Your argument that what Israel is doing is “hitting back” doesn’t excuse its appalling and criminal behavior. Anyone who accepts that shoddy argument could argue Hamas was just “hitting back” at 75 years of oppression and the siege of Gaza.

You cannot blame Israel for hitting back after what happened
hitting back? That’s beyond hitting back , 5000 died , There are approx 1000 under the rubble.
No water , no electricity , hospitals generators are running out of fuel. ,no pain relief or antiseptic in some places.

you are allowed to feel rage and pain to what happened , but please don’t try to justify the total destruction of a city and it’s people.