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Conflict in the Middle East

Hostages

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TakeMe2Insanity · 21/10/2023 20:35

This is running on Al Jazeera and others - apparently Israel refused to take back two hostages.

https://english.alarabiya.net/amp/News/middle-east/2023/10/21/Hamas-says-intended-to-release-two-hostages-but-Israel-refused-to-receive-them

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Stomacharmeleon · 25/11/2023 14:34

@Parkingt111 that's brilliant news.

Parkingt111 · 25/11/2023 14:37

@Stomacharmeleon it's not confirmed yet but it's definitely something to be hopeful for

Jupitersstorm · 25/11/2023 14:38

Parkingt111 · 25/11/2023 14:28

Update and it's a positive one!

According to Egypt
'Positive signals' from 'all parties' for extension of Gaza truce by one or two days
An extension could lead to the "release of more detainees in Gaza and Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails", Mr Rashwan added.

Fab news!

However it is advantage Hamas according to this on the BBC news:
"What does Hamas get out of releasing hostages?Peter R. Neumann
Professor of Security Studies, King's College London
The temporary ceasefire deal between Israel and Hamas offers breathing space in the ongoing conflict. But it doesn't signal an end to the hostage crisis - or even the beginning of its end. If anything, it provides Hamas with an advantage in what is likely to become a drawn-out, open-ended drama.
The release of dozens of elderly, women and child hostages over the coming days is going to be greeted with huge relief by Israelis.
It means Hamas will continue to hold more than 150 hostages but for them, this may turn out to be more advantageous than the larger number.
For one, the nearly 240 hostages originally taken probably imposed a huge burden on the organisation. Hostages need to be constantly looked after, monitored, and - if necessary - moved. If some of them are old, sick, or have special medical needs, it makes things more complicated.
By "getting rid" of anyone requiring special attention, Hamas is therefore not displaying compassion, but primarily freeing up resources that are needed elsewhere. This is especially true for an estimated two dozen labourers from Thailand and Nepal who hold no strategic value to Hamas, because they are neither Israeli nor Jewish.
Another reason is that the remaining hostages are easier to portray as "legitimate", because they are mostly Israeli soldiers or men of fighting age.
Hamas will argue that they are "enemy combatants" - even Prisoners of War.
Crucially, this will increase pressure on the Netanyahu government to agree to a prisoner swap.
Just like in the past, when Israel agreed to release hundreds - on one occasion: over a thousand - Palestinians in return for small numbers of Israeli soldiers, Hamas will demand the freeing of thousands of its members that are currently in Israeli prisons."

KingofIthaca · 25/11/2023 14:43

Parkingt111 · 25/11/2023 14:37

@Stomacharmeleon it's not confirmed yet but it's definitely something to be hopeful for

Does this also mean more aid ?

Parkingt111 · 25/11/2023 14:54

KingofIthaca · 25/11/2023 14:43

Does this also mean more aid ?

No specifics have been mentioned just that talks are underway and it could be possible. I think if an agreement is come to then we will know more

StarbucksSmarterSister · 25/11/2023 16:33

Hamas are delaying the release of hostages today. Diplomat saying it's a "technical issue".

Bigminnie1 · 25/11/2023 17:02

hamas are utter terrorist bastards- it's psychological warfare. Those poor families waiting to hear.

Queucumber · 25/11/2023 17:04

Hamas want more aid delivered to the north of Gaza. They are ‘encouraging’ civilians to move back so that they have plenty of human shields when the fighting resumes. Israel has told people to stay clear of the area.

Stomacharmeleon · 25/11/2023 17:04

@StarbucksSmarterSister I hope it's not 'technical issue' aka we aren't sure where the babies and children are everyone keeps asking about.

Stomacharmeleon · 25/11/2023 17:05

@Queucumber of course they are....

StarbucksSmarterSister · 25/11/2023 17:09

Guy on BBC just said it's because Hamas want prisoners who have served longer in prison than those being released. In other words, they want those who've committed more serious crimes.

OhHelloTheres · 25/11/2023 17:10

StarbucksSmarterSister · 25/11/2023 17:09

Guy on BBC just said it's because Hamas want prisoners who have served longer in prison than those being released. In other words, they want those who've committed more serious crimes.

Yup. There's clearly someone in particular they're after. Someone who can help orchestrate the next massacre.

Queucumber · 25/11/2023 17:11

A senior Hamas official has told the BBC that the delay to the handover of the hostages this evening is due to Israeli violations of the humanitarian truce agreement by preventing agreed-upon aid trucks from entering northern Gaza.

Hamas want civilians to be forced to move back to the north to access aid.

Stomacharmeleon · 25/11/2023 17:12

@StarbucksSmarterSister I thought this was a done deal? You can't change the terms of an agreement? I thought the list had been agreed?
So not young people held without trial then as is so frequently wheeled out on here. Convicted terrorists.

Stomacharmeleon · 25/11/2023 17:13

@Queucumber and what reason would they do that? :/

KingofIthaca · 25/11/2023 17:23

The delay seems to be down to aid as originally agreed.
200 trucks per day , only 137 trucks were allowed in yesterday. Presumably Hamas expect the deal to be adhered to.
Theres also a problem with who Israel is releasing.

I doubt either issue will be ‘solved’ that quickly.
All those promised release must be going through hell but also more aid trucks are desperately needed and the Israeli Govn must abide by the agreement.

Im not sure Hamas however can make demands on who they want released !

Hostages
EsmaCannonball · 25/11/2023 17:24

Didn't you just know Hamas would start playing cruel games?

Apparently two Palestinians were lynched as collaborators in the West Bank last night, with the footage being uploaded on social media. There has also been trouble inside one of the Israeli prisons where Palestinians are kept. This delay has several aims: to be cruel to the Israelis; to try to blame the Israelis for not keeping to the terms of the ceasefire (when it is the other way around); to try to prompt the Israelis into legitimately resuming hostilities so the useful idiots can accuse them of breaking the ceasefire; to set off riots in the West Bank; to set off riots in the prisons.

Fancy being governed by a regime that sees you as so expendable.

SomeCatFromJapan · 25/11/2023 17:27

They'd better muster up the hostages quickly or hostilities will apparently resume at midnight.

Trulywonderful · 25/11/2023 17:36

StarbucksSmarterSister · 25/11/2023 17:09

Guy on BBC just said it's because Hamas want prisoners who have served longer in prison than those being released. In other words, they want those who've committed more serious crimes.

It is because they don't give a toss about the prisoners currently being released. They are mostly just kids that to Hamas are disposable, like the civilians they use as shields. They want their own hamas fighters and hamas political prisoners.

Yet again they are showing the world what they are but people will still try to say they are fighting for Gaza and Gazens. No they bloody well are not!

Trulywonderful · 25/11/2023 17:37

EsmaCannonball · 25/11/2023 17:24

Didn't you just know Hamas would start playing cruel games?

Apparently two Palestinians were lynched as collaborators in the West Bank last night, with the footage being uploaded on social media. There has also been trouble inside one of the Israeli prisons where Palestinians are kept. This delay has several aims: to be cruel to the Israelis; to try to blame the Israelis for not keeping to the terms of the ceasefire (when it is the other way around); to try to prompt the Israelis into legitimately resuming hostilities so the useful idiots can accuse them of breaking the ceasefire; to set off riots in the West Bank; to set off riots in the prisons.

Fancy being governed by a regime that sees you as so expendable.

Yep

Parkingt111 · 25/11/2023 17:38

This is from BBC

A senior Hamas official has told the BBC that the delay to the handover of the hostages this evening is due to Israeli violations of the humanitarian truce agreement by preventing agreed-upon aid trucks from entering northern Gaza.
He said that Israel allowed only three trucks out of 100 to reach northern Gaza.
He also said that Israel violated the ceasefire agreement by flying drones over southern Gaza.
Israel has denied it has violated the truce agreement.

Parkingt111 · 25/11/2023 17:39

And this

The Hamas official, speaking to the BBC, also said that Israel made significant changes to the agreed list of Palestinian prisoners to be released.
He also claimed that the Israel Defense Forces killed two Palestinians in Beit Hanoun in Gaza, in an area where Palestinians are allowed to move.

KingofIthaca · 25/11/2023 17:40

Parkingt111 · 25/11/2023 17:38

This is from BBC

A senior Hamas official has told the BBC that the delay to the handover of the hostages this evening is due to Israeli violations of the humanitarian truce agreement by preventing agreed-upon aid trucks from entering northern Gaza.
He said that Israel allowed only three trucks out of 100 to reach northern Gaza.
He also said that Israel violated the ceasefire agreement by flying drones over southern Gaza.
Israel has denied it has violated the truce agreement.

How can they possibly deny the obvious
We know only 137 trucks of aid went in and we know none reached, for example, Al-shifa
These are Obvious lies

Jupitersstorm · 25/11/2023 17:41

Man, I cannot believe Hamas are absolute scum. They are already plotting the next atrocities and not ONE frigging protestor in the marches are criticising their actions.

If you want a ceasefire, you know what to do.

Trulywonderful · 25/11/2023 17:41

Are we surprise by this statement. No we are not. It is like deal with a group of year 9 teenagers. You can guess the way they plan to twist things a mile off. I believe someone said they would do this and what they would say as an excuse on one thread last night

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