What does 'ceasing responsibility for life' mean?

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I'm sorry for the DM link. I want to know what is meant by Israel 'ceasing responsibility for life' means though. I don't understand.

The UK doesn't produce enough food to support its population either. Does that mean they don't produce any food?

You are conflating all Palestinians with Hamas yet again.

Gaza has farmers as Israel well knows, they like to use them as target practice.

I genuinely don't think comments like this are helpful. People could make hyberbolic, inflammatory statements about actions on both sides but how does that help actually having a sensible discussion?

They have been talking about a bigger buffer zone all along border. So probably this. It would help save lives on both sides but there is an argument to whose land is used. I would say half each to save argument but I doubt that will happen.

Else if something else I have not heard anything or read anything about it.

You are conflating all Palestinians with Hamas yet again.

Hamas is the ruling party of Gaza though, it's a fair point asking why Israel would help a country that just attacked them.
In practice I would love to see them ensure a water supply and let humanitarian aid in, btw.

Why else would they shoot at them as they farm their own land? To be kind?

I don't see why we shouldn't call out what Israel does. How Israel control people inside Gaza, prevent them from farming on 33% of the fertile land and from what downnative said they plan to increase that. People like you pretending it is just like any other border aren't helping the conversation either.

For instance when Russia invaded Ukraine, there were sanctions put in place. No-one was saying that was unfair because it was Putin not ordinary Russians.

The civilians did not attack anyone. 50% of the population are children. That poster said Israel shouldn't help them because they are Hamas. That means at least 50% aren't Hamas.

People like you pretending it is just like any other border aren't helping the conversation either.

No, it's not like any other border, but it doesn't help the conversation either to ignore part of the reason why the border how it is, is for Israeli national security, and I would have thought that events of 7 October would have made that quite clear.

Again, I think it's utterly shit for ordinary Gazans caught up in the situation.

They will keep Gaza at arms length in every way afterwards. That's phrase 3.

Before that, it's important that they destroy Hamas. Hopefully they're able to do so as both Israelis and Palestinians need that threat gone.

A demilitarised Palestinian State is what it's hoped will emerge at the end of this. That kind of State could then build things like ports. A non-aggressive demilitarised Palestine will be unconditional.

Very different to the Hamas era 2005-2023.

Slightly different topic but Israel supplied the British with food during our lockdown shortages. The food was diverted from wherever it was grown or made, whether that be Israel or somewhere else. I realised some supermarkets had more kosher stamps and Hebrew on labels than I have ever seen before. So asked a store manager why.

The civilians did not attack anyone. 50% of the population are children. That poster said Israel shouldn't help them because they are Hamas. That means at least 50% aren't Hamas.

Again, the ordinary civilians and children in Russian didn't invade Ukraine either. But sanctions were nevertheless put in place.
Ordinary children in Germany didn't invade Poland, we still bombed them in their homes, and they ours.

Great then maybe stop pretending it is like any other border then. It is unhelpful in the extreme and eejits read what you say and believe you.

No, civilians are paying the highest price of all. It is utterly shit. Civilians always do.

Great then maybe stop pretending it is like any other border then. It is unhelpful in the extreme and eejits read what you say and believe you.

It's clearly not like any other border in practice as things stand, but anyone who has contributed to or even read many of these threads will be well aware of that. I take no responsibility for eejits.

You are right Gaza has always grown Peppers and stuff like that. However that is not enough like many other places

It's more than the 1400 Israeli victims got.

@Trulywonderful OK, although it isn't an international border, it's a fence. When the wall was put up in the west bank, it was built several miles over the green line, appropriating Palestinian territory. So, while it may be called an enlarged buffer zone, it has the effect of appropriating land.

The truth behind the dark humour is
“The barrier was rebuilt between December 2000 and June 2001. A one-kilometer buffer zone was added, in addition to new high technology observation posts. Soldiers were also given new rules of engagement,[14] which, according to Ha'aretz, allow soldiers to fire at anyone seen crawling there at night illegally into Israeli territory.[15] Palestinians attempting to cross the barrier into Israel by stealth have been shot and killed.”

Before the 2005 disengagement Israeli military maintained a one-kilometer buffer zone within Gaza along the border wall which prevented the militants to approach the border, sometimes with gunfire. After the IDF withdrawal the border became easily reachable by the Palestinians.[10] Therefore Israel launched the construction of the enhanced security system along the Gaza border, estimated to cost $220 million and to be completed in mid-2006.[11]
It includes a 7-meter wall with sensors, remote-control machine guns and barbed wire in the three areas where the border runs adjacent to Israeli settlements

The 1km buffer zone is inside the Gaza wall. It borders from there on area where only farmers are allowed to work. They stray over into 1km from the wall no go area and the remote control machine guns do the rest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza%E2%80%93Israel_barrier

WWII atrocities such as our bombing of Dresden and the US of Nagasaki & Hiroshima, and Hitler of London were the reason why international laws were written by the UN to prevent future war crimes.

Past war crimes do not excuse current ones. We are supposed to be learning from our mistakes as a species.

What Hamas supporters are you talking about?? Who specifically on this thread?? Or are you another idiot that insists anyone sympathetic to Palestinian civilians is a Hamas supporter?

Can I ask a really ignorant question? How can you give Gaza back to Palestine but still be responsible for providing food and water for them? Even before this conflict, What am I missing. Surely Palestine should have taken over control of the amenities. Or were they not allowed?

Yeah, you're right it's the buffer zone - what i called a DMZ - they're talking about.

It shows trust has completely gone.

@Pigeotto Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005 but the UN still considered it as occupied land and Israel therefore retained responsibility for the basic needs of the population there.

The Palestinians were not allowed to take over food and water coming into Gaza or to develop the capability to be self-sufficient. The 2005 withdrawal was only withdrawing all Israelis from inside the security fence. Israel then built their “Iron Wall” and implemented a full land, air and sea blockade. This included a blockade on humanitarian aid, monetary or otherwise. Everything going in or out of Gaza has to be inspected, supervised and approved by Israel. Gaza was not permitted any self-sufficiency, any sea port, any airport- all international trade opportunities for their farm and textile industries were squashed.

The official reason for this was security and self defence.