What does 'ceasing responsibility for life' mean?

[flufferknutter]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12653619/Israel-reveals-plans-three-phase-war-Gaza-starting-airstrikes-ground-manoeuvres-moving-eradicate-pockets-resistance-ceasing-Israels-responsibility-life-Gaza-Strip.html

I'm sorry for the DM link. I want to know what is meant by Israel 'ceasing responsibility for life' means though. I don't understand.

You specifically said "they are Hamas" in relation to all of the Palestinians. I'm pointing out that as 50% of them are children, theycannot be described as Hamas.

Can you copy the piece of text where I said that?

@flufferknutter Israel haven't paid a blind bit of notice to the UN, so it would be pointless anyway.

@SomeCatFromJapan you're absolutely right that what Hamas did on 7th October 2023 was unjustified.

Hamas is the reason Gaza has been blockaded. And their link to Iran who smuggle weapons to them - even easier once Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005!

Iran also wants to turn West Bank into a fourth front against Israel, so you can appreciate why Tel Aviv is keeping a link open with the Palestinian Authority.

Gaza is 100% lost to Israel and vice-versa, I'm absolutely sure about that.

Lots of info:

https://www.internationalaffairs.org.au/the-flow-of-arms-into-the-gaza-strip/

www.stimson.org/2023/hamas-is-only-one-of-four-iranian-fronts-against-israel/

Indeed. They do keep trying to push this idiotic narrative. It's getting so tedious.

Again, for the hard of thinking. Some people have a moral compass and actually care about civilians being bombed and killed. This doesn't mean they support Hamas or any other terrorist organisation.

Is that simple enough for them?

Possibly not.....

Let's try again.

Hamas = the baddies

Civilians = the victims

Anything simpler would basically be drawings in crayon 🙄

This is it really. Israel do what they want to do to Gaza and to people in the West Bank. If they get caught out or feel that they've gone a bit too far they lie about, let the heat die down a bit then maybe admit it.

For some reason there is a real reluctance from countries with any actual power to call them out. Eg Sunak saying he knew Israel were taking every precaution avoid harming civilians when Israel themselves have said 'the emphasis is on damage, not accuracy'. Or Biden blindly believe evidence Israel, known liars, present. Ursula Van der Whatsit saying the EU stands with Israel when they are committing crimes against humanity.

You’ll do.

how has the strategy the Palestinians have employed over the last 75 years worked out? Is it going the way they hoped?

Things have worked out quite well for Israel so far.

do you think if, in 1948, the Palestinian leadership, if there was such a thing then, knew how things would turn out they’d pursue the same path and make the same decisions?

The occupiers do tend to fair better than the occupied.

The Palestinians have been subjugated, controlled, imprisoned, brutalised, bombed and had their land and homes stolen since 1948.

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction

What do you mean by that @flufferknutter

I wonder if they've caught up with this bloke yet. He may still be alive.

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

Are you referring to anything specific?

You don't know your physics?

It's a basic law of the Universe.

Either @flufferknutter is being vaguely philosophical (and in a kinda bullshitty way cuz, it doesn't) or she is referring to something specific.

I think she is referring to the IDF's response to the Hamas terrorism as being both somehow equal and opposite. Summat like that

I think so too, given the disingenuous response.

More pop tarts and coffee needed. Don't overdo it though.

I didn’t ask why you think Israel has done better.

I asked if you think the Palestinians’ strategy has worked out well for them.

And if you think they should do the same again.

I don't think it would be anyone's 'strategy' to be victims of genocide? Your post is kinda weird tbh. It feels like you are gloating about Israelis committing genocide?

Hear, hear @SomeCatFromJapan There is absolutely no question that the Palestinians have been unjustifiably oppressed and this absolutely needs to change, but sometimes the dissembling on display here is unbelievable. From 1993-2008 before the increased security controls/blockades in Gaza and the West Bank, there were 85 suicide bombings in Israel, carried out mainly by Hamas, Fatah and the PIJ, killing 733 people in total. Hamas broke through the Gaza blockade and killed 1400 civilians and injured over 5000 in one day. It doesn’t seem unreasonable to suggest security and self defence are critical. It’s possible to be compassionate and condemn the treatment of the Palestinians without being so dismissive of the suffering of Israelis and their need for protection.

Where they will be bombed, starved, denied medical assistance and incarcerated for the remainder of their short lives.

Your post implies that for 75 years the Palestinians have been helpless observers of their own misfortunes, without agency.

i don’t think that’s true: for 75 years (actually more than 75 years) they’ve been active participants in the events that have shaped Israel, the Palestinian Territories, and the wider Middle East.

My question is, how has the strategy or strategies that the various Palestinian factions have employed, for nearly four generations, worked out for them?

Maybe it’s time to take stock and ask how it’s going. Seems to be going ok for Israel, for sure.

I feel sick ... :'(

The Nakba came as a result of the 1948 Arab-Israeli War when Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq and Lebanon invaded following Israel's declaration of independence.

That conflict saw population transfer as Palestinians were moved out and Jewish people were also moved out of neighbouring Arab States.

Had those five Arab States not invaded and tried to strangle the State of Israel ar birth, things may well have been different.

The United Nations' 1947 partition plan should have been accepted by the Palestinians. Since then, they've rejected every possible deal to the point where Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad Bin Salman said they should accept it or shut up.

I wouldn't be surprised if some believe their leaders should have accepted the 1947 plan. Ah, yes...Abbas admitted that in 2011.

Hamas oppose permanently coexisting alongside Israel. Another reason to get rid of them.

As you said, "Every action has an equal and opposite reaction."