What does 'ceasing responsibility for life' mean?

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12653619/Israel-reveals-plans-three-phase-war-Gaza-starting-airstrikes-ground-manoeuvres-moving-eradicate-pockets-resistance-ceasing-Israels-responsibility-life-Gaza-Strip.html

I'm sorry for the DM link. I want to know what is meant by Israel 'ceasing responsibility for life' means though. I don't understand.

Quite honestly, I don't see it as provocative in the slightest. It's factual. Understanding facts seems to be a prerequisite to finding solutions to the problems we have

I understand that Israel had an army you wouldn’t want to mess with and yet the answer to its problems still eludes me…

Let might make right?

Hamas dare to attack Israel because they didn't understand how bad the consequences would be. They won't again

Didn’t all this happen before in 2014?

No. This time Israel has 350,000 well-trained and armed soldiers ready on the Gaza border. For comparison, the entire British Army is only about 100,000.

The present airstrikes are just the beginning.

Just the beginning? This is chilling. They need to stop breaching international law.

This.

Yes it is chilling. It's also true.

I've taken the time to read the 4th Geneva convention. I don't think Israel is in breach of it.

130 premature babies are about to die, because of Israel's siege. Without fuel the incubators will fail. I can not understand how anyone can think this is OK. Or how it is not in breach of international humanitarian law. What is wrong with people who say 'meh...who cares.' ?

:( This is very sad. Could you post link to article pls? Not doubting you at all, but am keen to read.

Because there's no law that says you have to provide fuel to your enemy.

Israel-Hamas war live: aid trucks enter Gaza but UN warns action needed to end ‘godawful nightmare’ (theguardian.com)

It's on guardian live, about 5 entries down. Sorry, not sure how to show you specific entry.

This is so terribly sad. :( There has to be ceasefire :(

From what I understood Israel retained control of Gaza water and energy despite attempts by Palestinians to take control of it
over the years. They are now deliberately cutting off energy and water. So yes I believe this must be against international law for them to do this and even if it’s not it’s still extremely inhumane.

If Hamas surrenders, returns hostages, disbands and hands all its arms and personnel over to Israel, then I'm sure there will be a ceasefire right away.

Until then - there will be no ceasefire.

@mushti If you think killing 130 babies is OK I don't know what to say to you.

They’re holding the whole of Palestinian to account for Hamas while being armed and backed by one of the worlds largest and most powerful military. This is shameful and far from an equal fight .

The responsibility for the death of 130 babies in incubators, should it occur, will lie with the civil administration of Gaza, which is operated by Hamas. Hamas alone has the duty to keep its people safe. It has chosen not to do so, and now it will be responsible for the consequences.

However, we can see from the events of October 7 exactly what Hamas feels about the lives of babies.

There is nothing moral or appropriate about an "equal" fight. The more unequal the fight, and the more decisive the long term result, the better. "Equal" fights between Israel and Hamas have so far got us nowhere.

Two US battle groups in the Eastern Mediterranean are keeping Hizb'allah from attacking Israel, because Iran sees it as an "unequal" fight. That's a good thing.

Unfortunately on October 7, Hamas didn't see enough inequality with the Israeli army, leading to the events on October 7. That was an error they will not be permitted to repeat.

@ketchup07070 This poster sounds unhinged I'm shocked the posts have been allowed.

I don't think killing 130 babies is "OK", and if it happens, I will hold Hamas responsible for it.

My opinions are clear and expressed concisely and politely. Hearing things that you don't agree with, and responding to them, is a luxury we are blessed with in the UK.

@squidnames Yes, or just on a wind up. I won't engage, I think. But I really think most people want the killing to stop. It's horrendous, and we never even had time to process the tragedies in Israel. Just straight into a hellish bloodbath of endless death of more innocent people.

Yep. Of course the solution will eventually need to be political. I want a just and fair solution for everyone, Palestinian and israeli, between the river and the sea. Neither of us are going anywhere.

But I also think we need to look at what's going on around us. Irans involvement, hezbolla provoking the northern border, what happened in Syria. In the short term, a military response might be needed, with all the pain and suffering that entails.

Look, you're right about hamas. But what will holding them responsible do? Bring back those helpless babies? I know israel doesn't want fuel to go to hamas and there's a good likelihood they would steal from the hospitals (as they did from unrwa) but they need to figure out a way to get fuel to hospitals. Un convoy or something.

Israel is fighting a cruel enemy which has no regard for their own people - which they stated clearly and shown by their actions. But we can't just let helpless babies die from a lack of fuel. There has to be a way.

And aside from the moral imperative, the only ones who benefit from pictures of 130 dead babies is hamas. So Israel should be a bit smarter too.

So why didn't Palestinians accept olmert's peace deal? Why did they even launch the 2nd intifada to begin with and oslo in favour of killing?
Israel HAS come to the negotiating table, many times.
There's fault on both sides. Many Palestinians, especially in Gaza, believe in armed struggle and the destruction of israel.
Israel didn't occupy anyone prior to 1967, there was no peace. Israel tried to swap land for peace and was told no (the threes nos if Khartoum).
And a reminder that Hamas, voted in by gazans, began blowing up buses and cafes in the 90s in order to (successfully) derail the peace process
I don't agree with what's happening in the WB now and have a lot of criticism of israeli govt policy. And I hate the current government. But, my god, the Palestinians have not exactly been saints either.

No. This time Israel has 350,000 well-trained and armed soldiers ready on the Gaza border. For comparison, the entire British Army is only about 100,000.

So? Israel bombed the hell out of Gaza in 2014. This didn’t get rid of Hamas or intimidate them. They’re Jihadists, they don’t care what you do. All the Muslims killed by the enemy are martyrs. Their reward will be in heaven.

It's a valid point and it worries me too. What's the end game here?

Yes, Hamas has to be destroyed. It poses an existential threat to Israel. But how??? It's not the fact that they welcome death and see it as a weakness that Israelis do not as you rightly point out but that they are so deeply embedded within a civillian population and have no concern for that population's safety and wellbeing. Israel can't (due to rules of engagement) and shouldn't do what Russia did in Chechnya.

Further, Hamas also has strong support in Gaza and you can't bomb that out of people's minds.

What will happen the day after the war ends? Where do we go? It's so worrying.