Please restore my faith in humanity..Israel?

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I don’t view Hamas as humans, they are pure evil.

However I am astonished at the atrocities Israel are committing and getting away with, I want to believe they are good and just defending themselves but it’s getting harder to do that. I have some questions if anyone could answer, I would be grateful. Before this gets deleted as that’s probably inevitable as mumsnet doesn’t like anyone questioning Israel.

Over 1,000 children have been killed since this all began. Why are Palestinian children’s lives not viewed as important as Israelis?

To the people who say Israel need to destroy Hamas. If Hamas had underground tunnels within Israel. Underneath Israeli homes, hospitals. Would you support the dropping of bombs and view the killing of innocent Israeli civilians as collateral damage and an unavoidable tragedy? Or do you think Israel, who has arguably the most efficient intelligence in the world, would find another way to obliterate them?

The UK and US wrongfully invaded Iraq killing thousands of civilians, some members of the army were raping women and in one case burnt a child alive. If at that time, Iraq had decided to bomb the UK killing thousands of civilians as a way to defend themselves, would you also support that?

The most recent tragedy last night at the hospital. Israel immediately took responsibility and were quite proud they had ‘killed terrorists’. They then deleted this tweet and backtracked saying it was Hamas, releasing audio between two members as ‘proof’.

How can they intercept phone calls between terrorists but failed to see the initial attack and massacre of innocent israelis coming? How is this considered as proof? The two people talking could be anyone.

Why would they claim responsibility if it was nothing to do with them?

What are the chances that a rocket misfires and just happens to land on a hospital that was supposed to be keeping hundreds of Palestinians safe?

Good point on the aid. (Not sure I agree with your depiction of Biden though)

I would if it was relevant right now in this thread. All genocide is wrong.

I notice this is the first thread in the new Conflict in the Middle East section.
Thank you MNHQ, AIBU? wasn't really the best topic and it seems more useful to have a dedicated section.

Unfortunately point 7 is incredibly problematic as it has allowed Israel to carry on with its atrocities.
Holding Israel accountable for its actions does not make one an anti semite or a supporter of Hamas.
Doesn't make sense to support a country because you are of the same religion either. If we call out these war crimes for what they are and hold both Israel and Hamas responsible for their actions hopefully there can be some sort of resolution.
Unfortunately this is probably wishful thinking.

read on the history between Lebanon, Egypt and Jordan. every time they tried to take in Palestinian refugees this ended up in either an attempted coup or violence or worse. they have strained relationships unfortunately. Not sure about Qatar or Iran and why they are not aiding one bit

how do you plan on even doing that? It's like me holding Russia accountable for destroying Eastern Europe (on top of the current war) and invading Afghanistan back in 1979 ... what do you think I'll do ? go harass a Russian person who had nothing to do with their govt's actions ?
because this is what people are doing now with this war.. it's gotten to the point of pure hatred and nothing else. people are likely enraged like nothing else right now

No I have no idea how to do that. Just compare the maps I posted or google them

@Maatandosiris no problem
Would your proposed borders include Masjidul Aqsa on the Israeli side?

It's a fallacy to believe that either israelis or palastinions are completely devoid of any responsibility. There are extremests in all walks of life including both sides and then there are the civillains who are stuck in the middle having to feel the weight of war. The worst part is that the majority are children growing up and seeing this horror unfold which will instill growing hatred for thier neighbour as they become adults, so its a never ending cycle, I don't think anyone has the answer. Both sides have claim to the land, neither will give it up, they can't live in harmony and won't support a 2 state solution.

That's interesting, keep us posted on what happens.

@paperflowers55 what are you talking about? You've completely misinterpreted what I'm saying.

@OneHurtSpaggettio None of the polls posted, as I remember, were trustworthy. A lot were also very outdated.

Maybe that area needs to be under international control. After all it started off as a Jewish holy site and was built on by Muslims (this is often the case where one culture tries to wipe out another) but like Christianity built many churches on pagan sites).

In all honesty i think that would probably be a catalyst for world war 3
Every single Muslim country would put aside any differences they have and unite against it
Masjid al Aqsa is non negotiable

To the people that say, Israel is getting rid of Hamas/ Hamas is in Gaza, why are the IDF killing Palestinians in the West Bank?

It's non-negotiable for Jews too. It was the site of our temples. It's the only holy city we have. It's where we pray towards. Why on earth should that by default go to someone else? Just because there are more of them? They're shouting the loudest? It's a sensible suggestion for it to be some kind of a neutral zone where everyone is allowed.

This!!
Hypothetically speaking, if Gaza didn't have Hamas, it'd be like the west bank. Palestinians in the west bank are still regularly terrorised, imprisoned, and killed. All "unprovoked", but chances are you wouldn't hear about it in the media because, you know, some lives matter more than others.

That's mostly to do with the Palestinians in the West Bank trying to kill Israelis. Constantly. So many terror attacks are thwarted from there on a daily basis.

Israel not helping themselves by building more settlements, which I personally find disgraceful and purposefully provocative, but as always the solution is to try to kill as many Israelis and Jews as possible.

@OhHelloTheres you can suggest it all you want. But we both know its not going to happen

Completely agree. Israeli settlers have free will to expand their territory, seize homes, terrorise and kill Palestinians in the West Bank. There are documented videos of Palestinian land being destroyed and homes seized. Using Hamas as an excuse to destroy Gaza doesn't answer the question of the continuous occupation, indiscriminate imprisonment and killing that's been happening since 1948.

That is an unfair inaccurate blanket statement to say that most of the Palestinians killed in the west bank are by default because they tried to kill Israelis

Has to be said that if they are trying to kill Israelis, they're far less effective at it than the Israelis are at killing them.

@OhHelloTheres this was reported 17 minutes ago on sky news. Imagine if any other democracy responded to silly teenagers by shooting at them with snipers and then tried to justify it

What is worth thinking about though is that in the relatively short time we filmed, four of the stone throwers were shot by Israeli snipers perched on a hill nearby.
Not with tear gas or baton rounds, but with bullets. They were throwing stones.
Source sky news

@OhHelloTheres and BTW the teenagers in this instance were not throwing stones at civilians but at the IDF
Shooting at them with bullets which could likely lead to death is not a proportionate response and also shows the aggression by the Israeli Army towards Palestinians in the west bank